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Weirs Rolex Waiting List

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,312 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I think when people are handing over money for a watch, it's easier to explain to the wife that you're not losing any money if you need to sell it. Easier to justify the purchase yourself too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    If you need to consider selling the watch while you are buying it... Then it's beyond your means. Luxury watches are exactly that, a luxury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    Apologies for digging up an older thread, but does anyone know approx. how many watches Weirs get from Rolex in a year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    You’ll be hard pushed to get an actual accurate number but at a guess it’s enough to keep their high spending customers happy but not enough for customers that only want watches .



  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    Fairly logical answer alright. I was curious, for a company that makes over a million watches a year where they all go to. I can understand the waiting on APs/Pateks etc when they produce far less



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭traco


    I'd guess 3-500 Rolex per year, probably one or two per day average going out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭893bet


    Assuming 1.5million watches a year (surely at this point).

    And 1800 ADs then they get 800 watches each. Then adjusted for average size of an AD….is weirs bigger than average? I would have thought so but who knows?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭traco


    That was sort of my thinking and why I dropped them down to about half. I'd imagine they are the biggest in Ireland but small compared to other major capital cities and who knows what dealers in Asia are getting.

    I was in Mayors Jewelers in Orlando and they are big in Florida with a dedicated Rolex store in the Mall at Millenia in Orlando. At their scale I would expect them to be moving a few thousand rolex a year through their outlets.

    BTW if anyone is there its worth calling in. Really sound staff and happy to chat, The normal store had a huge collection of Tudor, Panerai and the biggest selection of Grand Seiko I've ever seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @UhOh - unless you are an utter and total charmer, know the sales manager personally or bribe or threaten him / her. Or unless you are lotto winning lucky, you ain't gonna get a Rolex sport at retail from an AD unless you have massive spending history.

    How many times and how many different ways do we have to tell ya? 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭j2


    If you check out watchescirclejerk on reddit you will get a laugh out of how far some guys are willing to go in order to get bumped up "the list", which I agree doesn't actually exist in any meaningful way. Go grey if you want a sub before you go grey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I had to google that. First thing I came across is a very detailed page long description of how to actually blow your AD like a boss 😮 it's not gay, but make sure not to play with yourself while serving the AD. Also, do not swallow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭j2


    Lol wait for the wife offers. But the funniest ones are actually real, guys asking if it's too early to ask the ad out to lunch, or what gifts to bring when you drop in. It's basically like dating questions from Patrick Bateman, but the objective is a bump up the mythical list for a blro. I would pay 8x msrp to not count myself among them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Out of curiosity is a white gold sub harder or easier to get than a SS one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Much easier. A lot more people willing to spend €10k on SS watch than there is willing to spend €40k on a watch .

    Post edited by scwazrh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Last time I was in Lunn's in Belfast they even told me I could go on a reasonable waiting list for two tone sport watches (we're talking €15k or so retail here, not the €40k plus for fully gold) whereas I could forget about any waiting list for steel unless I had history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Be careful at the moment, the precious watch market is in the doldrums. The joy of being offered a precious metal rolex should be tempered with the fact precious now trades around or under retail on the secondary market. So it will cost you a little to own the watch should you sell later. As above though we are generally talking serious wedge for a new precious sports model watch....35-50k so usually not the entry point for the beginner, and if your not a beginner you already know the game.

    I love precious but would not accept one at retail at the moment unless it was special dial daytona like the green, a olive dial day date, or a a white gold pepsi. Subs and Root beer in precious are depreciating watches currently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R




    When I asked they said a couple of months, asked where I was from and recommended trying local as I guess they’re not interested in selling to someone not local either. In Paris at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    A lovely watch, although maybe a bit stealth precious for people. The smurf never the most popular watch. I would pay grey for a Hulk or batman rather than buy that. Nothing against it, just doesnt look as mega as the pricetag.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Appreciate that, but I do love the stealth factor! In other news yellow moonswatch was available when I asked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Two tone still sell for a few grand (15-20%) over retail, so it would be a pretty safe buy. I was actually surprised that you could go on a waiting list for one. And this was coming up to the height of the boom late last year. Not in recent months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Bi colour subs still sell above retail but not much else does.Two tone datejust are cheaper than stainless



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I would love a Rolex Submariner, date or no date if available. I am not prepared to buy other products at an AD just so I can get one eventually. Is this possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Probably, the arse has fallen out of the Rolex market, Chinese tourists not traveling as much at the moment and pressure from all the new boutiques open in Dublin will all effect availability. No doubt they'll probably spin you a story, but reality is that watches are more available these days

    Alternative is to try a police auction... It always surprises me that every time the gards raid a criminals home they come out with a bunch of rolexes... How are they getting such large quantities but the average punter can't? Apparently the AD's are the only ones with access to sell them... I just can't figure it out...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Or they're as fake as a fake thing BF?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    No, they have them to retain money without using bank accounts or cash. If the money needs to be realised a Rolex was fairly easy to cash in. Also you can travel in a plane with multiple rolexes, but not as easy with a suitcase full of cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    the watches worth 100's of thousands that cab pull out of criminals homes are 20 year old fakes most of the time, i have yet to see one posted by cab that is real.

    Watches are available but it just depends who you are and who you know, the sales people know they are handing out the potential for serious profit to people so they pick and choose who they call from my experience, i know a few sales staff and they all say the same thing and if people do not want to play the game then grey dealers are the other option or another brand.

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    What is a good link to a Garda auction? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    A no date sub is worth €12k which is 30% over the retail price of €9,300. This proves you can't just go into an AD and pick one up. Of course you could get lucky or make the AD real happy somehow. But I wouldn't count on it 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    If I buy this:

    will a Rolex dealer like Weirs adjust the strap to my size? Will they service the watch when needed etc? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That's an older pre-ceramic sub. While a very elegant design, their bracelets aren't great compared to more modern ones. Any jeweler can adjust the bracelet for your size for a very small fee (or might do it for free) and if the watch needs a service, the likes of Weir's (Rolex AD) will send it off to Rolex. This isn't cheap, even if the watch doesn't need any parts, you won't more than a few hundred change from a grand



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    Thanks for that. I don't even know the difference between ceramic and pre-ceramic. I believe the servicing is very pricey. Luxury items always have a luxury upkeep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    have you tried travelling with a watch roll or rolex through customs ? they ask many questions and if you cant prove ownership they can seize them or charge you duty

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Must only relate to Rolex. I often travel with 2+ watches and have never recieved any attention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    I’ve never had an issue with customs and always travel with at least 3 watches if for longer than a weekend .Most of the time within europe so maybe it’s different going further afield .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That's the difference. Free movement of goods and persons within the EU. If you are bringing them in from outside of the EU, this could be seen as trying to evade VAT. With one watch one your wrist, you almost certainly will get away with it but if you had several and your luggage was searched, you might have to answer questions. If I were someone regularly travelling to outside of the EU with multiple watches worth thousands, I would carry some sort of proof that the watches were personal and already in my possession before I travelled. Even some old personal pics of you wearing them will probably cover it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    It isn’t just related to Rolex I was stopped coming into the Middle East with an ap 2 Rolex and a Jacob and co, luckily I had the relevant documents to hand otherwise they would have been seized or customs due

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    TBF an Ap , 2 rolex and a Jacob &co is a bit different to the average watch collection for a holiday .

    I’ve never even held a Jacob & co. They seem to range from naff to exquisite though. The godfather model is a piece of art.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    When you say relevant documents - what did they require?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    proof of ownership and taxes paid, i have the receipts saved to files on the phone

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,951 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I've not encountered the proof of ownership issue, and TBF I don't own anything likely to trigger that question.

    But, the keeping docs on your phone/cloud is a godsend.

    I previously lived in the canaries and had residencia there. Which meant I could avail of tax free/tax back shopping when I was back here or elsewhere in the EU.

    I moved home before the birth of the smartphone, but? We're it available to me at the time it would have made travelling so much simpler. As it was, I had to travel with a folder of docs and excuses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Interesting to know, not something I’d ever considered



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep customs have certainly copped onto the watch thing. Years ago a chap I knew in the international modern art trade, a dodgy trade in many ways, who knew I was into the watch thing and did tell me that some were starting to use watches, very much vintage back then, as "portable money" that you could waltz across borders with. Though back then he did say the people doing this were avoiding the obvious like solid gold Rolexs with diamonds kinda thing and going for more obscure "dowdy" less obvious pieces that still had an "agreed value" to them.

    We had a chinwag about it, as he knew little of the vintage watch world and one thing he noticed and pointed out at the time was the crazy prices for some vintage steel cased watches(ditto for platinum and white gold). Usually more, sometimes way more than gold versions. I pointed out that in the 1950's if you were in the market for say a Patek, they were cray cray money and you wanted people to know it was special so the vast majority went for gold and steel was very rare, hence the values now. His take was rarity was one thing, but a steel cased watch is going to get a lot less attention than gold for those who wanted to avoid attention, especially from customs.

    I've only once gotten attention from customs in an airport(Heathrow), well a security chap to be precise. When I was going through the bleepy arch thing and had put my stuff in a tray, one of the security guys wandered over and put the talk on me about a Trench watch I was wearing that was in the tray. He had his great grandfather's one he wore in WW1 handed down through the family. He was surprised to see me actually wearing one and wanted to know if that was OK. I told him, yeah, with a service and avoiding water like a Gremlin after midnight they were remarkably robust. He had a G-Shock. And a big feck off assault rifle thingie. 😁 Nice bloke.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 45 FocusST


    Has anyone had any luck with Lunns in Belfast? If you were to by a couple of IWC's or Tudor's with them what would the chance of getting a Sub in the next 12 months be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I found them more straight talking than any of the sales people in Weir's I have spoken to over the years. You need to go there in person though. Tell them your plan to buy high margin less desirable watches if that will give you a very good chance to get a steel sub.

    Last time I was there (near the top of the Rolex boom) and they told me I could go on the waiting list with a very decent chance of getting a watch sooner rather than later if I were to buy PM or even TT Rolex sub (I was under the impression of 12-24 months). The latter were selling privately for a few grand above retail at the time. They also told me that I would have zero chance on a steel one. Refreshingly honest. Weir's will always put you on "the list", which is a farce.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 45 FocusST


    Ok - probably still the same. I don't think all that much heat has come out of the SS Sub Rolex market since the peak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    I agree with this but many won’t.The fact is that SS subs , OP’s , GMTs and even yachtmaster have dropped less than 10% at most with 5% being more realistic. All the lower level rolex are still making good money providing you didn’t buy at the absolute peak.

    In summer 21 I bought a sub date from an AD for €8800 and sub for €11000 grey . Both would still sell above that now.I swapped the the sub for a Wimbledon DJ at end of 21 and that’s still worth what it cost .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    And let's not forget that the lower end Rolex steel sport have seen fairly steep retail price increases over the last few years. Your sub date that was €8,800 less than 2 years ago is now €10,450, that's a near 20% increase. Grey of course they still sell for substantially more than that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Eurox6


    I just don't see the appeal in Rolex anymore,

    There are so many knock off versions of them floating around its taken the shine off them,

    Every kid in Dubai is flexing a 1 or 2 thousand quid knock off, Some almost impossible to tell from the real thing ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Eurox6




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