La Flamme Rouge **off topic discussion**

Just be careful where you place those suction cups. Roof skins are not structural so are quite weak - it wouldn't take much put a dent in the skin.

I wouldn't be a fan of that at all, tbh.

I think once you keep them towards the side of the roof close to the windscreen there's a lot of structural integrity there, it's more the middle of the roof that's flexy I believe.

I'd be too scared to use them!

You’d be surprised how common that is, I’ve gone for spins with a couple lads from work and they’ll try and pick absolutely pan flat loops if they can, even if it’s only 30-40km the suggestion of throwing in a hill is scoffed at

Having done quiet a few spins in the Netherlands, some with 10m (a bridge that went up instead of digging the canal lower 🙄) I can safely say that cross and head winds are an adequate substitute for elevation. Especially when you can put an equivalent effort to just go faster.

That said, I do prefer cycling down the south where there are actually hills.

I was reading this old post about how pedelecs are not allowed use cyclelanes.

He has other posts in other threads showing showing the laws.

Is this still the case? has anybody heard of anybody being done for it (legit pedelecs with the 25km/h limit). If it is still the case I presume it will be the same for escooters, so on say the N11 escooters will be in the bus lanes.

Are mobility scooters technically illegal then I wonder, or is there some sort of exclusion for them if they’re medically required

I found his post with the laws, which specifically exclude wheelchairs but not bikes. But maybe pedelecs are not MPVs while wheelchairs are?

The only mention I see of pedelecs is in the finance act for the work scheme and does seem to suggest pedelecs are considered "pedal cycles"

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2008/act/25/enacted/en/print.html

‘ pedal cycle ’ means—

(i) a bicycle or tricycle which is intended or adapted for propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a person or persons seated thereon, or

(ii) a pedelec,

but does not include a moped or a scooter;

‘ pedelec ’ means a bicycle or tricycle which is equipped with an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power of 0.25 kilowatts, of which output is progressively reduced and finally cut off as the vehicle reaches a speed of 25 kilometres per hour, or sooner if the cyclist stops pedalling;

EDIT I did find more mention, by searching for "maximum continuous rated power"

3.  (1)  Subject to paragraph (2), these Regulations apply to new vehicles.

(2)  These Regulations do not apply to—

(c)  cycles with pedal assistance which are equipped with an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power of 0.25 kW of which the output is progressively reduced and finally cut off as the vehicle reaches a speed of 25 km/h, or sooner, if the cyclist stops pedalling,

Not sure, we went for a lovely spin here (nl) on Sunday and had a 20km hill to climb (upstream) and into a sustained unsheltered headwind. Needed another few beers and cheese and chocolate when we got home.

I heard zero complaints on the way out mind.