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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine employed an escort, Ksyusha Maneken, in an intelligence gathering capacity. She was probably very successful as they awarded her a medal.




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We already know that Russia will not negotiate over Crimea, Zelensky might not have an option if the upcoming counter offensive doesn't achieve it's goals or gets bogged down they could well be put in a position by international supporters to make a deal of some sorts,by the lastest talk coming out of Russian is if the Ukrainans counter fails they will make a final push into ukraine with 400,000 troops for another grab before sitting down asking for negotiation,

    I've been saying for the last 9 years they should take Crimea by force but even now it's could be easier said than done,I personally hope they use this counter offensive to smash all the way to savatopol before removing the kirsch bridge,

    But they are struggling with bakhmut, Avdiivka, kreminna the Russians are still very dangerous, some seem to believe that Russia will just fold and melt away but we are seeing anything but that ,


    I'm sure some chairperts will be along to shout Slava Ukrani but that means fauq in the bigger picture, people will close accounts and come back under a new name saying they have predicted this and that was going to happen all along,or been telling us since last year how they predicted bakhmut wouldn't fall , despite knowing feck all about bakhmut or anything else about ukraine last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    💬 The use of nuclear weapons is unacceptable, including in the war in Ukraine - Xi Jinping

    ❗️ Xi Jinping made the first statements after the meeting with Macron , — mass media

    - called for the resumption of peace talks regarding Ukraine as soon as possible.

    - on behalf of China and France, called on the international community to avoid escalation of the war in Ukraine.

    As utterly useless as I expected, apart from the nuke comment.

    Translation: Ukraine should give the Orcs what they want and other people should stop helping ukraine by giving them stuff that helps them kill Orcs.

    Another diplomatic coup from Macron, rivalled only by his earlier incredible achievements brought about by frequuent one on one dialogs with putrid, in which he was thoroughly humiliated, when everyone else wanted sanctions and couldn't see the point in talking to the sh​it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Yeah, I read that similarly - Ukraine will be open to negotiations on the return of Crimea when they've liberated their territories in Donbas, are roughly back to the 2014 borders and the point of those negotiations will be the diplomatic return of Crimea (perhaps with a port-lease agreement for Russia?) in order to avoid the loss of Ukrainian soldiers and materiel that would be necessary to take the peninsula by force.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Thanks to Viktor yanukovic they already have a lease in excess of a century signed in 2014 before yanukovic was evacuated with billions of dollars belonging to Ukraine over to Moscow,

    Russia won't give up Crimea without a fight especially being they still have a Strong Naval presence in the area along with over 100 + fighter aircraft and attack helicopters 60 + ,

    All the while the majority of the current population don't see themselves as Ukrainian they previously had autonomy from Kiev , There's going be some tough decisions that will need to be taken going forward,

    Either it's all of Ukraine returned or Ukraine minus Crimea



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Gen x and teenagey?? I'm gen x and it's been over 20 years since I was a teenager so please stop slandering my generation 😁

    Post edited by Yeah_Right on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,429 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I love Putin very much. He give me free house.

    "Who stayed there before? "

    Not sure. They either dead now or in Siberia.

    "Will you leave if the Ukrainians come back?"

    I don't want to die. So I probably will.

    "Where will you go?"

    I'll be on international television first pleading for assistance and refugee status. So hopefully America or Germany. If not maybe back to Russia. But I don't want to go back to Russia.

    "What do you think happened to the Ukrainians here before?"

    I already told you dead or Siberia.


    *The above conversation may or may not have happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭zv2


    Crimea. You can hear the eggs cracking...


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Have you not been saying for months that Ukraine will push Russia back to their borders and Ukraine shouldn’t accept anything less??


    I can’t figure you out, one minute it’s Bakhmut holds next it’s Bakhmut will fall and it’s all Ukrainian propaganda.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Just normal, the shells.... Sorry the eggs are cooking off 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They shouldn't accept anything less but if there biggest supporters are going to tell then it's time to sit down and talk they might not have a choice, considering they are solely reliant on the rest of the world for everything from weapon, munitions and intelligence gathering,

    I said 8 months ago bakhmut holds and said it 7,6,5,4,3,2 months ago but I also said it may not hold indefinitely,the Russians have changed tactics recently and now seem to be looking to move behind bakhmut into invanivske and possibly chasiv yar which would stretch the forces inside bakhmut,there could be a difficult choice to make in the next 2-3 weeks ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The Russians have been trying to encircle Bakhmut for 8 months.


    The Russians haven’t suddenly changed tactics, they have been trying this all along.

    You are now saying Ukraine should sit down and talk.


    Who got to you Gatling?

    Strangest 180 I have seen so far on this thread.



    This is your words from the Ukraine thread.


    “Now what's going to be proven after this war is 

    , Russia lost the war , Russia are losers who live on a different planet much like North Korea,

    Ukraine stood tall and fought and still fighting like savage's in defense of their sovereign state,

    Ukraine will be rebuilt,“


    Next time choose better......


    As I said, who got to you???



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Russians have changed tactics,they are stretching the lines further than bakhmut, there's several towns coming into range of Russian forces,while bakhmut got shored up to a degree the Russian have and continue to make gains ,

    There is nothing to dispute,I haven't spun 180 degree nice try though,

    C+ for effort different from the usual suspects jobs



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    From an early stage, I was appalled by the lack of diplomacy on the US side following Feb 24 2023. I thought Sabina Higgins was great to intervene but was saddened by the response to her letter.

    Now that over 150,000 Ukrainians are dead, do you feel any remorse for saying for 9 years that Ukraine should retake Russia? Do you feel guilty for not fighting in the war on which you were insisting?



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    Realistically, Russia is bigger and will take the four oblasts it annexed and keep crimea.

    As the war has progressed it has become more apparent that Ukraine has a problem with neo Nazi's. I think they got 1.6% of the vote before the war. As is seen here the pro Ukraine side regard Russian's as orcs. Both views are dehumanising but certainly the donbas pro russian view seems to be that if Ukraine recaptured the russian areas those who collaborated with Ukraine would be in a spot of bother.

    Based on above, I don't see Russia surrendering much occupied territories.

    If Ukraine wants to regain territory, based on what I've read, the best option would be to start negotiating yesterday.

    I could be wrong, the Texan who is no fan of Ukranian's paints a different picture https://www.greanvillepost.com/2023/03/30/the-bakmut-diversion-and-the-donbas-defense-a-view-from-donetsk/

    but logically, bigger nation, better weapons wins.

    Should we have fought the British to the last Irishman for the six counties?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Russian share of world GDP in 2021 about 3%, USA share 24%, EU share 15% and many more on Ukraine's side meaning the bigger country must win arguement sounds fairly hollow to me.

    A lot to be said about better weapons win when the moskovytes are dragging out of storage tanks that went into service 70years ago and Ukraine is getting some much more up to date weapons to help free their territory of the invaders.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Originally from Texas, Russell Bentley has been living in the Donetsk People’s Republic for eight years where he now has obtained official citizenship. He left the United States in late 2014 to join the DPR army to defend the breakaway republic from the NATO-backed Kiev regime.

    Sounds like a trusthworthy source,right

    I wonder if he got mobilized or ran back to the US again



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Wow, a blast from the past. The neo-nazi thing was debunked about a year ago. I’d say anyone waiting for ‘neo-nazis’ to come up on their bingo card willl be delighted, as it has been a while since it was mentioned.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Just a friendly reminder to any Russian alternate who is going to use the “Russia Big” argument; the vast majority of the Russian Federation is uninhabited / uninhabitable wilderness.

    They have 140 million people in total, versus Ukraine’s 40 million (only about 1/3) and is dwarfed by the EU’s 450 Million or US 300 Million. Population-wise Russia is at best 2 large EU nations combined. They only have a large amount of land, much of which the Soviets had to use slave labour in order to access at all.

    Russia has the most continuous territory of any country, mostly thanks to claiming territory that had no state present since the Mongol Horde, but Russia is not “big” in any current metric that matters. Whatever “bigness” they appear to have is simply inherited from the remnants of the USSR.

    Dear Russian Alternates: Quit using “Russia is big”. It’s a 5-year-old’s argument and doesn’t belong in this kind of debate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Should we have fought the British to the last Irishman for the six counties?

    If you want to compare Ireland to Ukraine then the question you should ask is.... If the British army initiated a full scale invasion of the republic, flattened Monaghan and Dundalk, started slaughtering and raping 8 to 80 year olds, the BBC 24 hours a day calling Irish animals and not worthy of existence or having their own country, bombing towns and cities from Cork to Donegal, what would the people of the island do?? I know what I and most people I know would do and it isn't sit down and have a chat with the perpetrators.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Russia has taken Bakhmut ! I thought they had stalled completely….



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,398 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Evidence provided for neo Nazi claim - absolutely zero. Check.

    Completely ignores Russian neo nazi elements - Check.

    Yes we should have kept fighting, if the British did so to keep a military dagger pointed at the free state to toe the line and strangle the economic future of the free state / its ability to plot its own economic course.

    Is Ukraine free to join EU and NATO in this picture? Because a Ukraine not in NATO is a Ukraine perpetually under threat of Russia re-invasion that will need to sustain itself as an armed camp with all that that would mean for its future prosperity and stability.

    So you don't think Russia will surrender much occupied territory.

    If Ukraine wants to regain territory, their best option would be to start negotiating.

    But they'd surrender sufficient territories in negotiations for them to be worthwhile???

    Makes no sense.

    Your post is all over the shop and contradicts itself. Maybe next time subject the Russian propaganda to some basic scrutiny before subjecting us to it here. You're fooling no one.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭wassie


    but logically, bigger nation, better weapons wins.

    I spat out my cornflakes with laughter reading this comment this morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    But you have gone from Russia will lose the war to Ukraine should negotiate as they won’t win????



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They havent fully captured it, but they havent stalled either.

    They almost control everything east of the north-south rail line in the city.

    Unless AFU retreat, Russia will struggle to take western bakhmut. Could be months more at current rate of attrition



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,053 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Should we have fought the British to the last Irishman for the six counties?"

    But we weren't fighting the Brits for the Six Counties. It would have been an internal fight between Irishmen and women. You know those pesky Ulstermen in residence for a few centuries. You might try and argue the same for Donbas and Crimea, except that the Russian plantations there are modern - over the past dozen years.

    Interesting to see China sitting firmly on the fence recently, diplomatically anyway. Russia has no true allies in this anymore, they'd be best to cut their losses and just get out of Ukraine as soon as possible. Declare their special military operation a success to their population etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The "port lease" I mentioned would be a face saving exercise - to allow whomever is negotiating on behalf of Russia to leave the table with something more than just the lives of their remaining troops and military equipment.

    The Ukrainian military command know full well that re-taking Crimea will be much harder and more costly in lives and equipment than re-taking the other oblasts but they're presumably floating the kite for negotiations on it's diplomatic surrender now in order to continue to look reasonable to their allies and to give Russia an off-ramp after their forces in the other oblasts have been routed by the upcoming counter-offensive. I envisage the opening of the negotiations to be along the lines of "we've destroyed everything else you have in our country, would you like to return your naval forces, aircraft and helicopters to your own land, or are you going to force us to waste more lives on both sides destroying those for you too?".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Bitcoin


    4000 orcs slaughtered in Adviika in just one week.



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