Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

Kermit, people a lot smater than you have figured out that to solve traffic you have to PAY people to cycle (via bike to work scheme) rather than charging them.

Keep the cracking ideas coming tho.

I'm curious to know why the poster thinks I should pay €160 per year in "Road tax" to cycle my bike, compared with the €400 motor tax I pay for my car.

And what about my electric cargo bike, does that get taxed differently to my hybrid bike, and differently again to my road bike? Or does one tax payment cover all 3 bikes?

Come back and talk about cyclists when motorists start paying their fare share to use the roads.

Lol that’s more than I pay on my car, but carry on. You’re entertaining in a painful sort of way 😁

It really does make that whole area feel and look much better. I took the kids to the playground in Fairview Park there last weekend. We walked over the overpass and I was blown away by the landing area on the park side. It’s wide, has really good materials throughout, the trees were great, nice seating..I could go on. I was just extremely impressed.

There wasn’t too many cyclists going through which obviously helped the first impression from a pedestrian point of view. I think it’s vital for the success of the overall project that the “shared spaces” elements of the project work, so thr backs of the bus shelters, this pedestrian bridge etc., and this certainly is positive

Loads of car drivers, who don’t care about the area, just their way through it.

And some disgruntled failed businessmen.

I agree with a lot of your posts but this one is below the belt. Fairview and North Strand are not kips - they are real places with real people from a diversity of social classes and ethnicities. Genuine vibrant city neighbourhoods that deserve more respect. I know a lot of people just drive or cycle or commute through and have different 'uses' for the area, but that comment annoys the hell out of me as a Fairview resident and a Dubliner.

I can’t believe how well it has been landscaped. It looks really upmarket. I honestly thought that quality of finish was reserved for the south side, has been one of my gripes over the years.

I went over yesterday to take a look at the new cycle track bit on Fairview park

superficial, fixable

1. Both ends topped and tailed with fencing - dumps you out onto the road - fixable when it gets added onto.
2. No signage - fixable
3. Entries from Howth Road and Malahide Road very temporary with just a rough tarmac on-ramp - fixable

Personal bugbears

1. For a lot of it, if you miss the (narrow ) entry ramps you are trapped on the road by hedging. This seems to be a design decision ( same on the quays) to deliberately make cycle lanes inaccessible except at the first entry point (e.g. if you miss crossing to the right at Arran Quay immediately on the short cycle lights , you can't enter the cycle lane) . The above mentioned narrow entry points mean its very easy to miss the main on-ramps if you are coming off one of the side roads
2. Compare the above to the Chesterfield avenue on the Phoenix park where the cycle lanes are simple to enter at any point ( and dont have anyone parking in or on them).
3. Maybe I'm missing something but is this a two-way track ? If so what's the plan for northbound cyclists to Malahide Road/Howth Road as it doesn't seem to be set up for them at all , no place to congregate and quite narrow ( scratch that I've looked at the plans its one-way, can't help but feel theyre missing a trick here in the sense that yes I can see the northbound lane far away on the other side of the road, but keeping all/most of the cyclists on the parkside would seem better to me )

It's a one-way track on each side of the road, as you twigged. That's the way the design evolved through the consultation process etc (although I'm not sure a two-way was ever really entertained). One way each side seems more practical for an inner-suburb to city centre track all the same, with the amount of people joining from each side at each junction? Maybe I'm wrong.

A 2 way track would be tricky for those coming outbound, at some point cyclists would have to cross the road outbound to get to the cycle track, and again when the cycle path ends.