Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It is not an offence for an asylum seeker to arrive in a new country without a passport or ID. It is estimated that around 40% of refugees worldwide don't have a passport and have never held one. It is not an offence either for an asylum seeker to arrive either with or without a fake passport on their person. It doesn't materially affect their asylum claim one way or the other.

i.e. open borders, when you claim we haven't......

Also, it is impossible to get on an airplane anywhere in the world without documentation, so what happened it between getting on the plane and getting off?

These people are scammers, pure and simple.

They're not even sure who's in yon hotel never mind in the country.... 🤣

not open borders no, just international law.

ireland doesn't have, never will have and never has had open borders.

A big difference. Normal people visiting a country for work or leisure purposes will require a passport or other ID and visas etc.

But people fleeing a war zone or natural disaster or whatever can hardly be expected to have a load of appropriate travel documentation on them. If they are making a claim for asylum and seeking shelter, then they don't need to establish their identity at immigration control at the airport. This can be done at a later date, as they are now in the protection of the state.

"Open borders" is a pretty loaded term. Not everyone who arrives at Dublin Airport and asks to claim asylum is allowed do so. We're also hearing that people are being intercepted abroad by Gardai before they even board a flight to Ireland and are prevented from travelling. That doesn't sound like open borders. As I said further up, we actually have one of strictest immigration controls in all of Europe.

Seriously...when people come to this country under false pretenses, like ripping up a passport, that is an excuse enough to deport you permanently. You are dishonest from the get go.

When you are causing 'Serious' antisocial behaviour at accommodation you are not putting your hand in your pocket to pay for...that again is a ticket permanently out of here, never to be seen again.

What sort of red flags, sirens blaring warning shots etc etc etc do you want? It's blatantly obvious they are free loading trouble makers.

I simply don't want this kind of person here, they will add nothing to the community at all.

I detest this government for misspending money on this shoite and potentially putting my family and friends in danger.

We are a flipping island for Flips sake. How much easier is it to police the border.

How'd they manage to get on the plane, I wonder?

Would these lads fit the bill?

I haven't actually heard the Irish Refugee Council et al 'demonising' them as yet but I think we can safely say they wouldn't be too impressed

Taoiseach Derek Blighe? Just a matter of time I reckon...

The false passports thing has usually nothing to do with criminality or illegality. Invariably what happens is that the person has no passport at all (in many war torn or troubled countries it is virtually impossible to even apply for one), but the only way they can board a plane to their destination safe country is with a fake passport, which they have usually purchased out of desperation, not because they are criminals.

Once they are on the plane to the country which they intend to claim asylum, they no longer need the fake passport as they can hardly put in an asylum claim using false documentation. Referring to such genuine refugees or asylum seekers fleeing a war zone as criminals or "illegal", as our far right friends do all the time, is unhelpful and inaccurate.

What are you talking about? I never claimed "hords (sic) of migrants (sic) running around ireland (sic) (sic) raping and assalting (sic)" I mean, it sounds bad so whatever it is, I'm probably against it.

I never mentioned any country outside of Ireland?

You sure you replied to the right poster?

Many refugees simply don't possess a passport and have never held one....perhaps close to one in every two refugees. Are you suggesting that any refugee that enters a safe country without a passport should be refused leave to claim asylum?

That wouldn't even work at any level. A truck containing 30 bona fide refugees hidden in the back could land at Rosslare Port. Deporting those people because they happen not to have passports on them would be in breach of every international law going.

Yes. Deport them all. If they claim they X is some hell hole where they seek refuge from, the very minimum evidence we should require is that they actually come from X. Equally, Ireland - and by extension the EU - should end all diplomatic and economic relations with X. Because X is a hell hole from which humans must escape.

If there's no evidence they come from X, then however bad it is in X, they don't come from there. Right?

The roadster...Christ almighty. A legend in your own lunchbox.

Whats interesting as well is how much aid Ireland and other Western countries are supplying to countries who are committing human rights abuses.

The first thing that should be done is to threaten to cut off any funding and also to restrict people from doing business/making transfers to that country. The reason a country like Eritrea is still able to function is because western nations give it tons of aid and also refugees from the country send back money, they have absolutely no impetus to change and the West is essentially funding human rights abuses