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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Except for those who say the magic word asylum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    So 230,000 pps numbers issued to nonnationals in 2022 is not mass immigration and the housing problem is a myth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭creeper1


    In a no nonsense type of country like Japan or Singapore if you arrive with a fake passport the airline is either held responsible to return you from wherever you came or you are thrown in jail.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Garda Immigration as of February are meeting certain aircraft arriving at the steps / airbridge to check for passports, because some of these individuals are hiding/destroying them on arriving in the terminals….before the passport checks inside….

    theyve broken toilets trying to flush them, ffs….



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    That squares you would think when it all started kicking off in the media and the demonstrations. Department/Garda had to do something as it was getting out of hand.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    Yeah but you must remember how **** Ireland was in the '80s. Houses were cheap because everyone was emigrating and mortgages were at 15% interest. Our hospitals were what you see in the third world now. Life expectancy is a lot better now. The housing list was definitely shorter but again due to less demand, people dying sooner or leaving the country.

    You were in that golden age of the mid '90s to '00s where the hollowed out shell of the Irish economy had room to expand. People can't afford a house now because your generation decided Dublin's skyline had to match the Custom House but everyone needed to live in a 3 bed semi and drive a car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    If it was such a shithole they were leaving I'm sure they're oppressive government would ban them from travelling altogether.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,768 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How you can actually type out such a lie is beyond me.

    Cop yourself on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Development of modern medicine means that people with complex conditions can be managed and survive. Back in the 80s not so much, hospital medicine has got harder on the staff not easier.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you work for an NGO? Genuine question. You're on here a lot preaching sympathy for people coming in here without documentation. You have no idea who these people are, or whether they really had no documentation to begin with.

    By your own reasoning, criminals from other countries could be buying fake passports and making their way over here. If I was a criminal from a different continent awaiting prosecution, and I discovered Ireland was accepting people without documentation upon landing, I'd be straight over to start a new life. Anybody would. This is not acceptable, and it's not a risk the people in Ireland should have to be exposed to.

    You're either very naive, or a bad actor trying to suggest people turn a blind eye to all of this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,768 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    In fairness look at the money being spent by NGOS.

    You would have to be very naive to think people are not being paid to post misinformation on irelands largest forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    There’s a Ukraine girl living in Dublin with a host family who has a weekly column in the Indo. Today she writes about taking a trip to Warsaw to visit her family (why isn’t she there?), giving out about incompetent airline staff and a heavy backpack.

    she goes on to say what makes her happiest in Ireland is the dogs she lives with “sorry to my human friends “



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Defo. What a sad way to steal a living. Beyond pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    A good point. For what it is worth I would have many professional acquaintances and even some personal friendships over the years with what had been referred to as those who work in NGOs. Most have been sound. Just doing a job in sectors most seem to have landed in by accident.

    I would say I have come across the occasional PBP type as well. Pure socialist types who give very similar commentary to that critiqued here. And they strongly believe and assert everything they espouse.

    Who indeed knows the background of anyone here. My deep suspicion would be there's a lot of representatives of various stakeholders on forums such as this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Clearly there are, correct.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Absolutely not, I have nothing to do with any non governmental organisation or the state. But all I can see in this thread are far right talking points from social media being rehashed over and over again. A criminal or gang member from another country would hardly want to live for several years in Ireland in direct provision and on €38 a week. Also, a person with a serious criminal record or who is wanted by Interpol or Europol will not be granted asylum under any circumstances.

    This constant talk about criminality and refugees is off the wall. We have serious problems in this country with alcoholism and drug addiction, violent crime, drunk and disorderly behaviour and so on and all people want to discuss in this thread is the supposed 'threat' to them posed by refugees. Look at all the violent attacks on Gardai in the last year or so....has a refugee or non national been involved in a single one of them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    I agree, I think some of the claims around refugees/immigrants are wrong snd just xenophobic (the racist word has lost all meaning in this discussion) . Many others however appear to either be backed up by statistics or the government have rather koo kindly stopped publishing statistics..

    I think it is good people critique claims from the far right, I wish our media was as inquisitive on claims from the other side.

    As I have said a few times, I reckon 80 percent of the country would be very aligned on what we should do, and it's not what we are doing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're saying a criminal awaiting prosecution wouldn't jump at the chance to come here and start again? Potentially face prison in a third world country, or come to a first world country, get free accomodation, free food, and start afresh with a clean slate... Of course they would. Once processed, they're on the fast track to a PPS number and into the system for life.

    This "we already have Irish criminals, so what's the problem with more potential criminals from elsewhere" attitude is akin to saying "your right leg is broken, so we may as well break the left as well". It's completely stupid; don't lower yourself to that level. The patterns experienced in every other European country with such influxes should make us extremely cautious about who we allow in.

    I saw an interview with a young Afghan guy here recently. He seemed decent enough, but clearly stated he wants to bring his whole family (parents and siblings) over when he can. Family can't speak English. What benefit is this to Irish people? Do you see how the numbers will eventually balloon exponentially?

    Nobody has an issue with genuine Ukrainians displaced by the current war. Taking in men from the likes of Georgia, Albania, Afghanistan, Somalia, and then later their families... Where does it end? There's no war in Georgia. Nor Albania. They're economic migrants. Some were interviewed on Irish radio recently and said the reason they chose Ireland to claim asylum was "more jobs". Not to flee war, or being in fear of their lives. Even if they were refugees, where does it stop?

    Meanwhile, young, educated Irish people are leaving in droves as they're priced out of accomodation. The new arrivals get it free. Educated taxpayers leaving, to be replaced by people from the third world. Often uneducated, little English, and straight onto welfare benefits. This is not a good thing for Ireland. By any metric. You see that, right?

    How many do you want accepted into Ireland? Give us a figure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    From what I understand, the numbers of non nationals and asylum seekers involved in crime or criminal behaviour are in and around the same level as the general population as a whole. There is no evidence that non nationals are more prone to commit a crime than the 'native' population. So, constantly focusing in on the crime element would appear to be a red herring.

    For sure, it's bad when a non national or asylum seeker commits a murder or whatever, but that is human nature unfortunately.....there are bad people to be found everywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But all of that comes back to the point that you cannot pick and choose which refugees come to your country or what demographic they are (i.e. race, gender, religion, skin colour, age or anything else). It's not about admitting preferable or desirable types of refugees. International refugee law states you must allow any person who seems to have a valid asylum claim the opportunity to claim asylum.

    Yes, it would be fantastic if every person who arrived was fluent in English, had a third level degree, strong IT skills and so on but that is just not how the refugee system works. The Tory government and their Home Office are trying to go down this route of being extremely selective about the 'types' of refugees they admit and deporting all the others, but are being warned by multiple agencies that this would be in breach of every refugee law going.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    The government could invest heavily in making processing times faster though. I think everyone would like to see this.

    You can also let people claim asulym but have stricter criteria on who you approve

    Instead we appear to be doing nothing



  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yeah. Apparently they are going to throw more money down the drain (5 million euros) on transporting pets from Ukraine. What a collosal waste of money this caper is.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-expects-spend-up-5-26924665?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    This is ridiculous, we are providing refuge, not a holiday camp. Morons



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Migrants may be responsible for most of a recent rise in violent crime in Germany, research commissioned by the government suggests.

    The study used data from Lower Saxony, a state where more than 90% of the rise was attributed to young male migrants.

    The report used statistics from Lower Saxony - regarded as an average state - where police saw an increase of 10.4% in reported violent crimes in 2015 and 2016.

    Based on figures from the state's interior ministry, which keeps a separate record of alleged crimes by migrants, the report suggested that 92.1% of this increase was attributable to migrants"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    I did a theory test this week.

    I had to bring drivers license & passport

    confirm all details like address DOB etc

    I had to empty all pockets twice

    lift up sleeves etc

    had my photo taken & was watched while doing the exam.

    I just thought to myself there probably isn’t even half this level of control in the airports.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Screw the "multiple agencies". We have an opt out as per the Amsterdam Treaty. Automatically refuse anyone outside of displaced Ukrainians until we sort out the housing crisis.

    The fact Varadker tried to lie and pass the blame onto the EU for the migrants is concerning. Shows he's not in control of the country, and unwilling to utilize our opt-out.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,131 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    No discussion of anything before the courts is permitted



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Again, good point re Varadkar whose tune changed when he turned up to Brussels and listened to other leaders exasperated with what they've had to deal with in their countries. The poor mite must have thought he'd woken up in a meeting of the far right, the term he and the media label anyone not on message.

    What is it about the Irish psyche that it needs to be led, rather than having the confidence to lead. Britain, the Church, and now the EU.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Someone posted this link near the start of the thread.

    "Ireland currently has no European Union obligation to take in refugees as it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on individual proposals in the areas of freedom, security and justice through the EU Treaty of Lisbon."

    I know I'm repeating myself, but the fact our supposed "leader" can outright lie and say we have no choice but to accept these people because of EU rules, is insane.

    Surely this can be challenged? He's deliberately misleading the people on something that is significantly affecting the country.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's a national inferiority complex. A NEED to be liked, approved of, and validated by others - especially our perceived "betters".

    From the whole "everyone loves the Irish", to the song and dance about how progressive we are with plastic bag taxes and openly gay leaders, to the complete bending of the knee to the EU during the financial crisis, and now this latest crusade at again, huge cost to this country and its citizens... And for what? Retirement plans for FG and FF? Attaboys from Von der Leyen? There certainly doesn't seem to be any benefit or even logic to adding massively to already overstretched essential services and infrastructure. You only have to listen to the news to realise that.

    It's this lack of logic that's most concerning. The only conclusion can be that there's another unspoken goal or agenda at work here. Is it to increase the population of the country as per FG policy? Is it another unpublished "threat" from our EU "friends" as apparently happened during the lead up to the bailout? Is it something else?

    These are real and serious questions but as yet we're still not getting answers.



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