Is it time to join Nato

"The US" is a political term, Europe is not. Pick a lane and stay in it, nobody's going to follow you around as you take the goalposts on a tour.

Georgia has always been culturally regarded as a European country and the Caucuses have always been regarded as the periphery of Europe. The name Georgia itself is derived from Greek and Georgians used the Greek script before they adopted their own. They are Europeans in Europe and always have been.

NATO exists at the option of its members, and none of them want to leave it nor do they want the US to abandon their commitments to the continent. Even the lonely far-left loopers in Germany (probably paid by the Kremlin) calling for US presence in Germany to go have abandoned that nonsense.

Get used to NATO, it's a fact of life in Europe.

That's fear mongering

Ireland is under no potential threat of invasion by Russia

that's a very simplistic understanding of Europe. Ireland is a completely different country than those 3, there is absolutely zero evidence that Putin would ever want to invade Ireland of all places

It's not a simplistic understanding of Europe. You're the one engaging in that.

Once again, you're the one using the "invasion" angle.

No I didn't. Re-read my posts.

Re cables:

If Russia cut them in a nuetral country's waters that's not necissarily casus belli with NATO. Cut in NATO waters, well, that's casus belli. And casus belli with NATO = deterrance.

And that's just one threat vector.

I've been clear on my stance on Ireland and NATO from the very start of the thread btw. I'm not saying join for the heck of it, but it needs to be entertained, particularly if the calculations conclude that our neutrality results in unacceptable vulnerabilities for the state, its economy and our wellbeing as a country.

The immaturity is the nonsense woolly student union rhetoric about "war mongering" and "the great satan" (someone actually posted that in this thread)

You don't recall because you don't pay attention.

The RAF scramble into our airspace on the regular because we can't/refuse to guard our airspace.

Hey greencap, wakey wakey. I never posted "Russia has boots on the ground in Europe" (even though they do in 4 sovereign European countries).

Mic1972 posted "there's no evidence Russia will invade Europe"

I responded that they absolutely would eye-up the Baltics for instance for military intervention were they not in NATO. Russia is 100 percent a credible military threat to the Batic states and especially if they weren't part of NATO. And if that penny hasn't dropped after Ukraine, Tankies need to take their smelling salts.

Any other take is sh*t-talk. And there's a lot of Tankie sh*t talk in this thread. You're owning yourself here.

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I said Baltics greencap. Your dancing on the head of a pin falls apart right there. Derp.

Btw, when I want to talk of the EU I say EU.