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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Yeah hybrids were/are a cod. Especially the so-called "self charging" ones. Plug in hybrids were a good enough compromise



  • Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    China CO2 emissions are now approaching the US, Europe and Japan COMBINED.

    Pretty shocking but true. They have trebled in the last 15 years.

    China now emits 500 times more CO2 than Ireland. With a growth rate of around 10%, that means from an emissions perspective China essentially creates 50 Ireland's every year.

    Or put it another way if Ireland sank into the ocean tomorrow - all people, livestock and emissions went to zero, then the growth of emissions in China would make up the difference in just over a week.

    The argument that "we should do our bit" is such a weak, childish arguement when confronted with the reality of these numbers. And i haven't even touched on the growth in CO2 emissions in india, indonesa, Nigeria and other large third world countries.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Citizens Assembly on Biodiversity has released its final report and as expected it includes recommendations for a referendum to insert biodiversity and nature protection in the Constitution and confer environmental rights for both people and nature.

    In total, 159 recommendations were made across a load of topics including Forestry, Energy, Peatlands, Marine environments, water etc

    Specifically on the constitution, it recommends:


    You can read the full report linked below. Lots of great stuff in it

    https://citizensassembly.ie/wp-content/uploads/Report-on-Biodiversity-Loss_mid-res.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    31.a is fairytale stuff. Put things like that in here and criminalise ordinary citizens for living, while in the UK they pump raw sewage into water, and China pumps more and more carbon out. Hard to give someone a human right to a stable and healthy climate when thats a worldwode thing and not just little old Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Here is something that is useful

    However, watch prices rise. I've been getting quotes recently and any I've recieved in the last day or 2 are ~€1000 higher than the ones got last week and before.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The best thing they could do with that report is send it straight to the incinerator at poolbeg. What a load of codwallop.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Look at what english plan to do and expect eamon to come with the same thing soon... It is always easier to tax or ban than doing something like replace old pipes which are way over their "best before" date.


    It is almost like certain people go over themselves to figure out what they can tax and ban even though it is pointless considering what they are presenting as a reason why it is needed...



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I've no idea how you enforce a ban on power showers anyway?

    Pure pie in the sky stuff.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Well, they seems to be going ahead with it. I have no problem to imagine how ER can put some of this plan on steroids and first they ban sales, next ban import, and then watch out for Border patrol episode where customs agents take power shower smuggler in the room for interview and recommend some green reeducation course along with environmental fine for killing the planet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    From reading the article it is a whole list of items under consideration to reduce water usage.

    You might be surprised the current shower/toilets etc you use today use a lot less water than the equivalent from 10 years ago and less form 20 years ago etc etc

    As technology develops improvements are made and with water charges in UK people will be looking for reduce usage and the bathroom is a obvious place to start

    The power shower heading is to grab the attention



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Lets see, electric shower 10.8kw, EV charger 7.2kw (his and her car), & heat pump 7.3Kw and thats before you get to lighting, cooking, washing machines, clothes dryers, fridges, TVs and computers, charging mobile phones, and the myriad of electrical devices we use. There is no need for a ban, you will have to chose what you want to prioritise in the green all weather dependent electric future. Local transformer blows up every fortnight, well hope you have a backup generator. They know they can't scale the electricity grid with unreliable power generation, to address this they are rationing demand.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yeah. But then if we do not dig up and replace ancient lead pipes all this technology improvement and banning old stuff is exercise in stupidity anyway. We may be losing more water due to leaks than what we actually use. And if we are not there yet we are slowly getting there anyway since our water utility put more thought in anti stress seminars than getting any real work done. (apart from promptly fitting water meters but we all know who they thought will pay for them).



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Are you talking about the UK or Ireland? Because the link you provided was for UK.

    In terms of losing water inn Ireland, yes we are. But the company created to fix those problems was shut down by the population so now we are back to an underfunded public water system which doesn’t have the money to repair so it’s cheaper to just pump more into it



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Even when leaks are identified it takes them forever to even come out and look at it, nevermind fix the thing. There was a leak at the top of our road for well over a year before someone came out to inspect it. And then almost another 9 months before a team arrived to fix it. But sure, it's all the power showers fault.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    If you read my post again perhaps slowly this time, you will see I knew that link is from UK and I simply speculated that it is only a matter of time when our overlords adopt it over here. We d have history of copying our neighbor policies, be it lack of will or thinking who knows our politicians made it easy for themselves this way.

    Our utility was created for billing people, new tax on everybody, and it is just another black hole quango eating up money. This was discussed in other threads to the death and saying that Irish water was created to fix problems and population shut it down resulting in "underfunding" is nonsense. Water was and still is funded through other ways and lack of funds is solely fault of governments who redirected and used these funds for something else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    "slowly" kind of explains alot

    You posted a link from yahoo which confirms new bathroom will use less water. You seem totally unaware that bathrooms have reduced water for years and was not just about showers

    Look what Triton are already selling: https://www.tritonshowers.ie/showers-taps/eco-showers

    Look what I just got for my shower and its excellent: https://amane-heavenly-rain.com/

    Notice a common trend here?

    We buy bathroom equipment from the same suppliers in the most as the UK, so yes we will probably end up with the same reductions. This would remind me of people going on about electric cars, Ireland has no say if manufacturers do or don't make electric cars. We will just be able to buy what they sell.

    In terms of Irish Water, in a few years we will end up regretting that decision. Also if we get rid of LPT we will also make Ireland a complete mess again.

    Tell me how Irish water is funded?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How Putin made Europe go green faster than planned

    The irony is beautiful



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If you think anything to do with what's happening between Russia and Europe is anything other than a complete disaster then there's no hope. The green cult is so strong that you'd happily cheer on the destruction of an entire country as long as it makes green policies more favourable. Unbefookingleivable.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Essentially the video says we got lucky with a mild Winter across Europe. More coal was burned and Germany build LNG terminals at record pace and is locked into 15 year contracts with Qatar and Mexico. We have to do it all again for next Winter. They mentioned Poland and heat pumps neglecting to mention Poland has been dependent on Russian coal, and the fact the much of Western Europe substituted coal for gas decades ago, nor did they mention Poland is chucking incredible amounts of money into subsidies for heat pumps. The heat pumps in Poland will be powered by coal-fired electricity (hard coal – approx. 48% and lignite – 24%). Polish homes will still need a wood or coal burner when the cold winters set in. While they may be cleaning up air quality, the noise pollution from heat pumps will become a regular annoyance.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Indeed, the sooner the better on the path to eliminating fossil fuels from the European grid, the irony being Europe’s biggest historical supplier of them, has through his actions, become the biggest motivation to speed up the transition



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Oh I did and I know full well that the old adage "never let a good crisis go to waste" is firmly at play here. Most of the policy decisions made in Europe have been used to further a blatant agenda to drive to NetZero. Unfortunately the yahoos in charge fail to realize that we are nowhere near ready to actually do that and we are only hurting European interests with them.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    15 year gas supply contracts and burning more coal, and knocking back the EU bureaucrats on ICE engines are not eliminating fossil fuels from the European grid. Not only that us Europeans are cutting down forest for firewood, the reason forests regrew and expanded in Europe since the 19th century was due to the take up of fossil fuel. Hard political reality is putting a nail in the Green energy lunacy.

    Will the OPEC+ oil output cut make inflation worse? The + is Russia. 2 million barrels a day production cut. Don't look for the Americans to come to the rescue, the American administration ran down their strategic reserve to buy the election. The war is not just going on in Ukraine, on the international front Saudi Arabias biggest customer China, has been cutting deals, including shifting to Yuan for trade. Next UN COP meeting is being hosted by country whose primary trade is oil & gas. . . .

    Did I mention the banking crisis has spread to Europe. What has that got to do with unreliable energy generation you say? Finance, the wind turbines and solar panels built in the last decade were don't with low interest rates. Fossil fuels production cut, more cost or production, cost push inflation means cutting interest rates is suicidal and financing the war is expensive. We are heading to a market were the European and American politicians era of financialisation has hot a road block, and the Europe politicians have backed themselves into an energy cul de sac, Wake Up, West – a new energy world order is building, fast.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh I did and I know full well that the old adage "never let a good crisis go to waste" is firmly at play here.

    Are you surprised by the shift to renewables as a result of the biggest fossil fuels supplier cutting off supplies? Seems like a logical strategy to me and many govts

    Most of the policy decisions made in Europe have been used to further a blatant agenda to drive to NetZero.

    Well.... yeah. Emission reductions is something that absolutely has to be done. The only ones who disagree are the anti-science / climate change deniers



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭AnFearCeart


    A few years ago I done the calculations on C02 emissions Ireland V China. The Chinese exceed our annual output every three days (72hrs) - I'd be confident that those three days are less today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    This is already the situation. The electric showers are the things that people are dumping. Especially if you have an electric car you will see people going for solar next. With the Eddi you then have hot water "free" so people will dump the electric shower and use a mixed shower instead.

    Did you check the CO2 per headcount? that would be more relevant comparison



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's premeditated policy decisions by the EU that has led to this energy shortage. Honestly, it's not that hard to understand.

    Only reality/science deniers like yourself think renewables are a viable alternative to fossil fuels right now. All evidence shows that we are nowhere near ready for such an extreme transition in such a short period of time.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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