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Don't watch the snapper if your sensitive guys.

  • 09-04-2023 09:52AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Just read that RTE put a warning before showing the snapper last night. "Just to remind you, this movie is set in a different time and highlights attitude some people might find upsetting" Are these clowns serious? Thank **** I went out last night so I didn't hear that. Absolute lunacy. A young woman getting pregnant now in a movie might upset people I really have heard it all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Had it recorded. Stuck it on this morning and nearly choked on me Easter Egg when I heard it. But still a very funny film.

    Anyone care to identify what people would find upsetting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    "Ye slu!"



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How about the fact that a man raped a young woman while she was drunk and couldn't consent?

    Then she was slut shamed, and treated like **** by her whole community? Hilarious.

    The fact that that needs to be identified for you as something some people might find "upsetting".

    Jesus wept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Sky has that same warning on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Seriously like.

    It's all come from America, I remember watching TV over there when I was on J1 visa and movies I knew were just cut to shreds of all the good bits for fear of offence.

    Lately, it's the Internet to blame of course as voicing offence is so easy now to get a bandwagon going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭yesto24


    If you watch it they were both drunk and she made the first move so who is the rapist?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭durthacht


    In fairness, it deals with sexual assault which was glossed over in the movie.

    The Sharon character is a young woman who becomes pregnant following sexual assault bordering on rape, as she is so drunk that she cannot consent when Burgess takes advantage of her being drunk and has sex with her without her agreement.

    That issue is not really explored in the movie, although it is in the book.

    The understanding of female consent to sex has changed since the 1980s and 1990s, and I think that is the issue they were referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭SteM


    I'm scarlah for RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,857 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ive been severely traumatized by this movie, i can no longer use garden clippers after it ffs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭celt262




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  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He is. Please don't make me give you a lesson in consent.

    Full text at : https://archive.ph/OtuhD

    Anyway thanks to RTE for putting a warning up.

    Thankfully this kind of behaviour is now called out for what it is. RAPE.

    But jesus, if we still have people looking at this scene and basically asking "what did he do wrong?" we still have a long way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Climb down off your high horse there and don't assume that I'm unaware of aspects of the film. I asked for opinion to start a discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭yesto24


    I think you are going to need to.

    This party they were at was the Christmas party of the football club. It is in the new year because no one remembered to book a venue.

    So they are both drunk she started kissing him. She jumped on him and started kissing him and yet he is the rapist?

    OK time for my lesson.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The state of this thread.

    "Thank **** I went out last night so I didn't hear that."

    Like if you'd stayed home and actually seen the thing you're complaining about it would have ruined your whole f**king weekend. Have you nothing more important to be getting outraged about? Well for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I think you're a bit more outraged than me. It's after hours it's lighthearted. If I was completely serious I would've put it in the TV forum.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’d like to use this opportunity to state that Roddy Doyle is a knob.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah and you got one. Just not one you were expecting.

    I call BS. You didn't ask for an opinion. You asked posters to identify what "could" be upsetting about this.

    If you were "aware of the aspects of the film" as you now claim - and for clarity let's call them what they are instead of dancing around it - rape and slut shaming - why did you need to ask for this to be identified for you? Why would you question RTE for putting a sensitive content warning up before the film started?

    More like you're embarrased you asked now. Because the answers you were expecting were a lot of funny Snapper quotes instead, (which of course, predictably are being provided) and you didn't expect and don't like the fact that you actually got a serious answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    k.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    It's just a film, no need to take it too seriously.

    People like you who act irrationally to pieces of fiction are a serious problem in society you need to get some perspective and realize that if every piece of fiction ever written was to appeal to your overly sensitive nature you'd have very few books, films or tv shows being written that are worth reading or watching. Your hyper sensitive attitude is every bit as bad as the Catholic Church's attitude to films and books of the past.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    The most basic lesson is kissing is not consent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Gh



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you believe making a first move or kissing = consent, then you obviously do need a lesson.

    A good place to start would be by googling OMFG and Active Consent.

    Pay particular attention on the "F" - freely given.

    "Freely-given consent means that nobody has been coerced, intentionally misled, forced or pressured against their will or is under excessive intoxication by drugs and/or alcohol and everyone is engaging in sexual activity because they want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Colm Meaney burying his face in Ruth McCabe's sn*tch?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You must be a sensitive soul yourself. Have you calmed down yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    “So much has changed since 1986, when I started writing The Snapper,” he told an interviewer two years ago. “The legislation on rape is clearer today. As the writer [if I wrote it today], I’d make sure that the sex was consensual, that it wasn’t open to doubt. The novel is about a woman taking ownership of her own story; that wouldn’t change.”

    I mean, the lad who wrote it even knows it's a dodgy scene, but as usual boards knows better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Obviously, the majority of rapists wouldn't admit to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭satguy


    Its just a funny movie,, just enjoy it,, and if its not to your taste,, then don't watch it..

    And if your one of those delicate snowflakes, maybe pop off a letter to RTE and let them know just how offended you are..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    She's twenty in the movie but I haven't read the book in 20 years so maybe she's 16 in that.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wow!!

    "Don't take it too seriously". "Irrational". "Hypersensitive".

    Those are the type of words used when trying and shut down an uncomfortable conversation.

    So pointing out the seriousness of a lack of consent and rape, is being "irrational" and "overly-sensitive" now?

    Clearly some posters here get uncomfortable when the fact that what actually happened in that film was a rape and is deserving of a warning is pointed out to them.

    Like I said, a lot of work still needs to be done, obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Enjoyed it last night, Colm Meany's finest moment as the conflicted father, I thought there would've been a HD version of this now but RTE seemed to be happy to show the SD version.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Yeah, I looked it up and both say she's 20. I'm sure I remember watching it fairly recently and being shocked she was 16, but maybe I'm thinking of Dirty Dancing 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I thought it was A1 myself. Anyone who hasn't screwed someone in a carpark over the bonnet of a dirty red Cortina should be trying harder. If your chips or fish fingers are cold you have to let you partner know about it? Communication is key.

    RTE will define their own future.

    They need to show more soft porn after midnight for starters, it would clear the pubs far quicker at closing time.

    Porn is better than drama these days, you should check it out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    It's a piece of fiction, it's a comedy film, not a party political broadcast.

    No need to take it so seriously and secondly it probably somewhat reflected attitudes at the time what do you want it to be have 2023 attitudes in a film set in the 1990's?

    Maybe we should just ban all entertainment that is not up to date with current social attitudes in case sensitive souls like yourself might have to endure seeing it.Maybe you should just check on the EPG and find out the year the film was made and then avoid all content produced before the 2020's if your so sensitive about the likes of the Snapper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Or, here's a crazy idea, we could have some sort of system that would allow people to know the content of said entertainment so people can make an informed decision? Maybe a little insert at the start?

    I mean you'd have to be some snowflake if that offended you, or a massive hypocrite. Maybe you could avoid anything with words in case they're mean words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Lot of snowflakes on here getting offended over a 1 second warning!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    I'm fine with having a little disclaimer, the issue is every single film in the world could potentially be offensive to someone so we might as well just add a disclaimer to every single film (therefore defeating the point of said disclaimer) fact is not all films, tv shows , books are going to appeal to everyone sensibilities so maybe people just need to be adults and accept that if you watch a film there may be parts of it you may no like and perhaps you should do some research yourself beforehand and look up the film on the internet and see if it may offend you or not. Rather than watching a film and then complaining about it afterwards.

    Disclaimers before film are really for children (real and emotional ones) not adults.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    This is a ridiculous comment, given the whole point of the warning before the film is to point out that its an old film and that attitudes towards certain things will be different in 2023 than they were in 199whatever.

    Putting a little thing before a film acknowledging these things is the perfect solution to the issue. Nothing has to be banned, or censored to within an inch of its life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    What’s the soft core “scene” like these days, Count? Can’t say I’ve seen much since the heady days of the mid-90’s going into the very early 00’s.

    You’d catch a movie on a Friday, or Saturday, night on Bravo or some other “satellite” channel. Always with some giant of the industry like Shannon Tweed, Gabriella Hall, Griffen Drew, Shannon Whirry, Shauna O’Brien or, maybe even, Athena Massey featuring.

    Would they be better off showing “classics” from that era or are there modern takes on the genre that could rival those?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    I'm fine with a warning as it has no impact on anything, I just think people who need a warning like that are overly sensitive and should probably research what they are watching before they watch it.

    My objection is to Louze ridiculous hysterical posting style about the issue.So what if people see something that isn't to modern sensibilities, it's not the end of the world.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hold up now, no one said anything about banning anything. Calm yourself, you're getting a bit hysterical now.

    The OP started this thread because they objected to a content warning being put on the material.

    It's ironic, when what is actually "irrational" and "hypersensitive" is anyone who would raise an objection to a content warning being put on a film containing a rape scene.

    But I guess they're the same people who also object to help lines being advertised after such material is shown.

    Fiction is often based on fact. The fact that the Snapper is a work of fiction and from a different time doesn't mean it doesn't now warrant a content warning.

    I fear you may see a lot more of those type of warnings in the future because a lot of these old shows and movies just do not stand up in the current times.

    So sensitive souls like those who are offended by them, might be the ones who need to switch off.

    So what if people see something that isn't to modern sensibilities, it's not the end of the world.

    So what if a victim of a rape sees a rape carried out in a movie, it's not the end of the world?

    But let's not offend anyone by putting up a brief warning about it. JHC.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I don't think it's fair to call someone who was raped overly sensitive if they have a reaction to a film that depicts a rape. If you're the kind of person who isn't upset by anything then you can just ignore the warning, no harm done. If you're a person who has had bad experiences, or suffer from any kind of PTSD, then a little warning gives you the opportunity to look up what the content warning is for.

    Something like The Snapper which features a sexual assault, but never addresses it as such, could be very upsetting to someone who experienced something like that first hand. And believe it or not, there are still some people who do just turn on the telly and watch whatever is on, rather than scrolling through Netflix, reading reviews etc. etc.

    So the warning does as you say, gives them the opportunity to not watch, or research it more before watching. While anyone else can just keep watching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'm not offended by them , I couldn't care less about any disclaimer beforehand.

    I just think they're essentially pointless and people advocating for them could really do their own research beforehand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Roddy Doyle said it himself (on the recap programme of his films) in recent years people were more horrified that Sharon was drinking during her pregnancy than the rape scene in the carpark.

    But I assume the warning is for the rape scene. Some viewers may be disturbed etc.

    I had the same reaction to the OP when I was flicking through the channels and landed on the Crocodile Dundee film where he was in New York. Was watching a few minutes of it thinking what a good wholesome film it was. Then wondered what year it was. Pressed info. Then I saw a warning on it stating some viewers may find this film upsetting, and the film was of it's time etc etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I didn't know the poster had been raped.

    There are film classifications, there are reviews of films on the internet and there are plenty of ways of finding out without having a content warning whether a film would be offensive to you.

    There is also the point that essentially every single film could in some way be offensive to someone in the audience so you could genuinely have a content warning before every single film ( you could argue that most films depicting crime or violence could potentially be traumatic to someone who was the victim of crime or violence) , there is also the fact that people themselves need to realise that films of the past are going to reflect attitudes of the past and they need to accept that before they watch a film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Netflix already does it, it hasn't led to the fall of western civilization.

    There are film classifications, there are reviews of films on the internet and there are plenty of ways of finding out without having a content warning whether a film would be offensive to you.

    Yeah, it's much easier to do 20 minutes of research rather than just have a 2 second warning flash up on screen. Practical as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    You are entitled to your opinion but you expressed it along with making assumptions about me. Your post above is another example. I'd be happy to engage with you in discussion about the topic but not while you are casting aspersions on me with your little "quotes". I'm not embarrassed by anything. You are on a crusade here. Of you go with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I don't think there was a HD version. It was made on a shoestring budget so I suspect it was recorded on videotape rather than film.



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