Covid-19 likely to be man made

Yes. It claims that, but offers nothing to actually show that's the case.

Also, I assumed that Sky News, owned by one of the biggest richest media corporations would have counted as "legacy media". But I guess not.

I will also remind you that you've also not acknowledged any of the conspiracy theories that were claimed.

Is that the extent of your understanding of those who don't think it was a lab leak?

Is Brendan O'Connor or Sinead O'Carroll doing direct research? Or are they reporting the work of experts? Bit of an important distinction your post misrepresents.

You could have found out the below with 5 seconds of googling.

Different US agencies have different opinions on the origins of the virus. The FBI and the CIA don't agree.

the intelligence community remains divided over COVID-19’s origin, noting that “China’s cooperation most likely would be needed to reach a conclusive assessment of the origins of COVID-19.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-02-27/u-s-agencies-divided-over-covid-19-lab-leak-origin-theory

OK. Great no one here is supporting the Chinese government.

And looks like we're back to pretending there was no conspiracy theories being thrown around. Your post is a perfect illustration of my point about alternative facts.

But I'm not asking you to speak or answer for anyone.

I'm simply pointing that you are ignoring these kinda claims and pretending they were never made so you can maintain this notion that "conspiracy theorists" were right all along or that people were being unfairly labeled as conspiracy theorists.

I'm still very curious how this is explained without reverting to conspiracy theories.

The usual go is that the other agencies and scientists who don't agree with the lab leak idea are all part of a plot.

But the conspiracy theory presented both throughout this thread, and else where wasn't that Covid 19 just came from a lab.

It was that it was created whole cloth in a la for the express purpose of causing a pandemic or some such.

This remains a conspiracy theory. This is the case even if we assume the unsupported assertion of "the most probably consensus".

Not sure why the thread needs to be moved either. No one has been prevented from presenting their arguments, reasoning and evidence why they have been convinced of their particular views about the origin of covid.

Yet, this thread shows that people who subscribe to conspiracy theories about the virus don't seem particularly willing or able to explain their beliefs.

Actually looking back, your initial post on this thread was to claim that the virus was created as a part of a secret cure for aids.

I don't see anyone supporting this other than the Noble prize winner who suggested the notion (without a jot of evidence) and the conspiracy theorists who have decided that a Noble prize makes someone infallible.

Given that you aren't repeating this claim now in your post gloating about how conspiracy theorists were right all along, I suspect that you don't support this idea anymore.

But nothing in that article confirms anything any conspiracy theorists were claiming.

No conspiracy theorists were suggesting any of the details contained in this article, nor does the article confirm anything that conspiracy theorists did say, like the notion that the virus was created as a cure for AIDS as NaFirinne originally suggested.

It's also very strange that the times is now apparently a reliable source even though earlier it was part of the mainstream media conspiracy to "ridicule people as conspiracy theorists."

Well that's what was being claimed by the expert most quoted on this thread and was suggested by Nafirinne.

It is an example of the conspiracy theories that were actually being expressed, rather the vague notions we're being told were right all along now.

I'm simply highlighting the odd revisionism that's been going on lately to pretend that conspiracy theorists had something.

Military and scientists doing something nefarious in a lab definitely sounds more exciting than dirt poor peasants that live in an environment where these viruses thrive being exposed on an almost daily basis.

Did you read the article?

It would be absurd to look for vaccines for diseases that did not circulate at the time. That's not how vaccine research works. This is such a bizarre question to ask, an epidemic that "briefly" affected many millions was successfully dealt with almost 2 decades ago and we (humanity) were confronted with a new and emergent threat in 2019. "Experimenting on various iterations of coronavirus" does not equal vaccine discovery, trials, or the many funding checkpoints that those things involve.