Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Gaines did not say thomas flashed her, find a video where she used that term and ill admit im wrong.

Are you for real? How can you as a supporter of trans rights say that a trans woman who is naked in a women's changing room, could be committing a sexual assault?

And just because someome takes a puberty blocker doesnt mean they will be allowed to compete in their chosen gender category anyway.

The bottom line is that competitive sport is segregating by biological sex and more and more sporting bodies will likely follow suit.

Its a shame that this debate drives a wedge between biological females and trans females, but I am not sure it is a debate than both groups will ever fully align on.

those men support other people doing the same, like trans people. So I don’t think that’s what she meant.

Id throw caution about driving to the defense of a woman on a thread you claim to know nothing about but then functioning as priest to interpret for us what she said

Just a view indeed as the vast majority of those protestors aren’t even in question of having done anything violent.

Yes, valid points.

Sport is an anomaly in the trans/biological female debate, because it is perhaps the only subject in which trans women can have a biological advantage over biological women.

But the acknowledgement of this concept, is the acceptance of a dividing line between Trans and biological females.

You seem predisposed to simply vilify and demonize and engage in demagoguery everyone you disagree with on this issue.

Where in the hell do you get this example from?

Has there ever been, in the history of the world, a male athlete who entered a womens competition because they lost their leg?

I was hoping we could stick to reality.

Difference is the trans athletes who compete in womens sports have an unfair advantage by being biologically male.

They are the ones who are the exception, they are the ones who are the minority, they are the ones who have an unfair advantage therefore they are the ones in a sensible society who would be chosen to be excluded.

When you have to make a decision you pick the least worst option, the last worst option in this instance is clearly excluding transgender women.

Nobody's banning them from competing, people just think sport should be segregated by sex, not gender.

You know this.

Burning down cities?

Youve lost the hinges. What burned down cities?

Lia Thomas didn’t burn down a city. She won a race and you’re equivocating them, and other trans persons competition in sport to wanton violence. Grab a hold of something.

You think that little 11 year old girl in TN, the only trans kid in her sport, should have a league of one?

that's the one, paywall free link: https://wapo.st/41hHiqM

The same distinctions you're making are also in the Biden draft rule.

Which is why it's so frustrating that Republicans absolutely are lashing out at it, for them it's total bans or else, and I think you and I agree apropos to all the above they are being a bit unreasonable, and frankly are twisting it into culture war issues not really concerned with the spirit of ensuring sports are sporting, but more with the societal ostracizing of trans persons and their personal ideologies across the board. All that warped logic that trans existence = erasing women.

As a reminder to any numpties who think trans existence erases women such as JK Rowling ("the lived experiences of women" etc), uh, it's been 54 years since the Stonewall riots and you still have hetero existences and life experiences. The gays never erased you or me either. They trotted this same logic out in the decades past to try and ban miscegenation, interracial and gay marriages too.

Has anyone else here read the Biden rule yet or have I been talking to a wall on that.

The reality is that male puberty gives transwomen a huge physical advantage when it comes to sports. An unfair advantage. And that's why transwomen shouldn't compete against biological females.

If a transwoman never goes through puberty as a result of taking puberty blockers, I think they wouldn't have an unfair physical advantage so I'd probably be ok with that. Although I would have a problem with prescribing puberty blockers to prepubescent kids unless it was absolutely medically necessary.

She’s saying he had his penis exposed in the changing area. And 2 years before that it would be a crime for a man to expose his penis in a female changing room? Seems pretty straight forward.

Not sure why you keep on bringing race into it other than to ramp up the emotions, the scenarios are not comparable unless you believe there is no athletic difference between males and females and that you only want a single open category for all sports (all weights, all disabilities, all genders).

Ffs you don't need to be an expert on anything to know that there are physical differences between males and females, and many of those differences lead to athletic advantages. Humans have known this since of the dawn of time and nothing has changed. Anyone trying to deny this is living in cloud cuckoo land. Ideology does not trump basic biological facts

Eugenicists? Really? you're really circling the drain on this one Overheal, trying to tug on heartstrings does not help your argument due to it's reductive nature.

Actually, show that the weight/disability/gender category are influenced by eugenics and build up from there.

You're constantly bringing in the negro leagues and now eugenics, they are in no way comparable with gender, weight and disability category in modern sports unless you are also claiming that sports bodies are racist eugenicists and rather than actually presenting an argument that it is comparable to the negro leagues you're now claiming other users are getting emotional. Now you're down in the drain.