General Star Trek thread

This is depressing.

A voyager spin off? Yeah voyager had about 3 decent characters but overall the show was ****.

Starfleet Academy - it's a **** idea nó matters what century you place it in

A captain Shaw spin off? I'd like that. But with a well lighted set and stand alone episodes.

Let's wait and see

Not evil yet. There is still time for him to get Lorcad 🤣

"Wonder if they've accidentally brought in the best original character, since Flox"

Definitely not because the best original character before Shaw was Lorca . Until they "killed" him

Funny way of spelling Shran.

Best new chracter since Phlox.

yeah, I'm disappointed about the lack of it tbh.

I'm currently listening to the audiobook of "The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway" (it's read by Kate Mulgrew, how could I not). The canon purists won't like it though. Her first meeting with Tuvok is recalled, he's not named until after he dressed down the then ensign Janeway and her captain (another familiar character 😉) says "I see you've met Commander Tuvok" erm, Commander? Even Lieutenant Commander doesn't work here as he was only Lieutenant senior grade on Voyagers launch.

Semi related, had a bit of a smile and "I know that voice" moment while playing the video game Horizon Forbidden West. The playable character, Aloy can visit a settlement where the chaplain has the unmistakable dulcet tones of one Tim Russ. The game also features Carrie Ann Moss and Angela Bassett but whatever, bleeding Tuvok is a tribesman. 😃

I apologised quite awhile ago for my rant.

However having diverse character's is one thing but ST seems overtly preoccupied with it.

It wants to promote extreme feminism see below

Wait, what?! "Evidence"? It's some guy on youtube, ranting. It's... a bit dumb. He manages two whole examples. It's titled "The Wokeness of Modern Star Trek" and the first example - a female captain being a total jerk - has nothing whatsoever to do with "wokeness". It's a jerk, being a jerk. "Man-hating feminist HR manager" is all in Dave's mind, I'm afraid. "It's all done in the name of the feminist agenda - to make this female character seem superior and validated." Um, no. It makes her look like a total jerk. Sorry, gonna have to try harder.

I was going to ignore the post totally as the sad male insecurity over an obvious parody short (it's the guy who plays "Archer" FFS!) wasn't worth engaging with but I think the cherry picked TNG example is interesting as the treatment of Barclay in that example was very much the exception to the rule. TNG era Starfleet was a ruthlessly hyper competitive organisation. Officers serving aboard the Enterprise were regularly reminded of what a privilege it was for them to be able to serve on the Federation's "flagship" and were under no illusions about being turfed out for under-performance. Barclay himself had been passed from captain to captain and just got lucky that Picard was in a good mood that day and decided to say "**** it, let's try something out with this guy". The original Gary Stu himself, Wesley Crusher failed his first attempt to get into the Academy in a entrance exam/hazing ritual that made Mensa entry look inclusive. It was the sort of uber-competitive Top Gun style org that gave rise to the likes of Nicolas Locarno and Tim Watters and their followers. And after making it through that process, they could easily find themselves scraping feces and semen out of California class holodecks. So yeah, Barclay was just very lucky that the replicator happened to serve Picard a particularly good cup of earl grey that day.

Weak example. I will get a better one

Perhaps best to park it. It wasn't a major concern of mine except for the lack of straight male characters in discovery.

Perhaps the failure to write a decent straight female character in Burnham made the desire stronger.

However anybody who says discovery was not trying very hard to be woke is deluded

I think I'd have to agree with you. The writing for discovery declined in my view after season 2. I think the actor who played Michael Burnham was badly directed as I have seen her in other things and she is much better.

I am getting tired of season arcs. Totally encompassing arcs.

I'm not sticking around for the last season of discovery because of terrible writing and poorly drawn characters and not because I think it's too woke

I watch lots of stuff that is woke plus good like Modern family because the writing is good

I just get a bit fed up with the media narrative of toxic masculinity and sometimes I lash out on social media. My sincere apologies to my fellow trekies.

I hope I didn't offend anyone and no I'm not being tongue in cheek