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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭MfMan



    Bang average side in Castlebar today, they didn't even have three players to rely upon. O'Shea didn't get the easy frees he did last Sunday. Back down to earth with a bump in a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Great result for Roscommon.

    While last weeks referee bought all of Mayo's dives to beat Galway, this week mooney didn't buy it as much and Roscommon's hard but overall disciplined tacking held out. Don't know why Aidan avoided a black for the blatant body check late on, but the way he was playing it did Roscommon a favour leaving him on the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Thought once O'Conner hit that monster score from out on the sideline that Mayo would have a bit more confidence to feed him for longer range scores but they went for goal and were constantly caught by the bulk numbers in the Rossie box.

    Mayo will still absolutely have a say in the latter end of the summer but it'll be seen as a wasted chance to get top seeding and a Nestor in McStay's first year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Two performances in a row below what we saw earlier in the league.

    Roscommon defended very well.

    Hopefully Mayo make good use of the six weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    'Group of Death' possibility would be something like Dublin #1, Tyrone #2, Mayo #3, Cork #4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    He lost the ball at the throw in at the start of both halves today and apart from scoring one point he was awful. A failure again in a big Championship game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,065 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It's really typical Mayo isn't it

    Results this weekend really after throwing some plans up in the air for the GAA



  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    Can someone explain why in the name of God the ref decided to give frees to Roscommon because Aidan O’Shea won the throw ball?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Because he barged and pushed for both throw balls.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    Do you mean he shouldered his opponent and won the ball as does every player? But suddenly today it’s a foul? Roscommon won but they bet a tired and under strength Mayo side fresh from winning the League final and they sure had to get plenty of help with the ref to get them over the line. Including faking head injuries and playing puke football for the match. It’s a joke anyone can celebrate that win tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    LOL.

    The excuses are out early this evening. Aidan should have not been on the field for the last 10 minutes after his late body check after the Roscommon defender passed the ball away, textbook black card.

    Who were they really missing? Roscommon lost several players too so no complaints - take the beating and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He tends to use his arms to push the other player aside. Technically you are supposed to jump straight up.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,533 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Its a bold strategy Cotton, Mayo banking on a run through the backdoor when there are no Division 4 minnows in the draw to build momentum against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Was it just me or did you get the feeling he couldn’t give a flying fook that they’d just lost in the interview after?

    They now have a break for a few weeks to recharge, avoid a tough game against Galway and will be ready to peak when the real business starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    That'd only be a group of death for Cork. The other 3 would hockey them and then have a mini competition for 1st place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Would not bet the house on that. I think Cork would have Dublin in Cork and Mayo in a neutral venue probably Limerick.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    That still doesn't compensate for the fact Cork aren't very good and those 3 teams are far better than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem for Cork is there consistency. The are capable of beating a lot of teams on a good day, it's there inability to put 2-3 good displays in a row.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭hayrabit


    not a great game for the neutral, the Mayo-Roscommon match - especially for the first twenty/twenty five minutes, as there were barely four scores in total up til then 😟


    McStay interview was good !! him praising Roscommon so he wouldn't have to defend his own team's inability to go for scores from ~25m out,,,, 😆

    ,,,,,seemed bizarre to me at the time as time was definitely not on their (Mayo's) side at that point (perhaps if they knew there'd be at least 6mins going to be added on, then going for goal may not have been seen as the percentage play when inside the last ten mins of normal time - but that's only my opinion 😆) , but was happy to see it tbs 🙂🤗


    conditions surely played a major part in that Roscommon victory - big up to the manager for coming up with the right and winning strategy for today ! ☺️


    Galway game and on likely far better ground will see no great expectations from us Rossies, but a win's a win ! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Another high profile ex pundit Colm O'Rourke has had a much less successful League campaign than McStay. Events today leave him in charge of a team more likely to be in the Tailteann than the Sam. But there is a way to redemption. Beat Offaly, and then the winners of Louth Westmeath to make the Leinster Final. Both Louth and Westmeath have the luxury of being in the Sam regardless. But either of them would enjoy sending The Royals down among the small fish. Sort of an irony that when Meath are in Tullamore, Louth will be in Navan because there is no suitable home ground to host the match.

    On the other side, Kildare v Wickow and Dublin v Laois holds out little hope of anyone except Dublin being in the Final. Kildare are still in the Sam, but looking nervously I would say to possible events in Ulster.

    https://www.lmfm.ie/news/sport/meath-learn-leinster-opponents-as-prospect-of-tailteann-cup-looms/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    No excuses, I’m calling it as it is. Mayo lost today on fine margins despite playing poorly. Ref was very very poor. There’s always a weird mentality about Mayo footballers because they haven’t gotten over the line for SAM. Like what sort of weird analysis is it on RTÉ from Ciaran Whelan that the perception they got soft frees last week means the ref decided to ‘give them nothing’ today and that’s ok and accepted on the RTÉ panel. The ref even decided during the match to rescind an advantage play for Mayo at one point, cancel what should have need a free and award one to Roscommon instead for nothing - absolute joke referee. If it was Dublin or Kerry who won the league final in a similar way last week they would be hailed as fantastic and praised, and they’d all be up in arms about their team having to play championship one week afterwards while their counterparts in Kerry and Galway are in Portugal on training camps. Then the icing on the cake is presented with a poor ref.

    On footballing points, Roscommon deserved it based on getting many key decisions their way and playing better puke style defensive football as a result to kill the game and the match as a spectacle. Despite Mayo playing poorly, they could have won if a few things had gone their way today. Mayo midfield played poorly, they were defeated all afternoon on kickouts. Their forwards did as they did last year, ran into contact. The team has looked clueless in attack against blanket defence for the last two matches. This is a major weakness. Jordan Flynn, Conroy, O’Donaghue, O’Shea played very poorly today. They also seem wide open at the back and gave away a penalty and goal. Sam won’t be going to Mayo this year but I think McStay is making the best effort with the group of players he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The time for Mayo and 15 other teams to get "up in arms" about the schedule, was back in December last, when it was published. A calendar has to be made for the Championship, even before the League starts. And nobody knows who will be the League Finals. Sligo were able to win their match.

    There was a suggestion that a two week break be put in the calendar after the League Finals. But that could mean that every team in the country would have to wait three weeks minimum for any Championship action. The whole thing has to be done and dusted by July 30.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Roscommon’s style worked today but is a losing formula when it comes to going deep in the championship. Their main objective was to completely destroy the game. It worked because Mayo were a bit jaded today. Chronic match. Mayo will improve, Roscommon will likely go backwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Who played more defensively in the first half, Roscommon playing keepball into a gale force wind, or Mayo dropping 14 or 15 players inside their own 45 and not engaging with Roscommon when aided by said wind. Strange narrative, and strange tactics from Mayo's expensively assembled think thank.

    Haven't watched or listened to RTÉ tonight, more to be at, I can come here for ill-informed comment if I desire some.

    Early days yet, not really All Ireland Championship season yet so nobody will be getting carried away, so Mayo will feature yet - what odds both teams drawing in the same group later on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Some great scores by Clare to win today

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Jacqui Hurley is a breath of fresh air on The Sunday Game tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    Backdoor? What are you talking about? We more than likely will be in the exact same position as Roscommon come the AI series



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    If as expected Rossies lose to Galway we will both be third seeds so we wont be meeting in groups



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It will be in Hyde Park, if that is likely to be a factor.

    "Galway take on either Mayo or Roscommon in the semi-final on Sunday, 23rd April at 4pm. They’ll either host Mayo in Pearse Stadium, or travel to Dr. Hyde Park against Roscommon."



  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vid36


    Galway last lost a Championship match to Roscommon in Hyde Park back in 1990.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    7 Group Stage places being handed out based on League position. As it stands, here's who will definitely be availing of them:

    • Mayo
    • Galway or Roscommon
    • At least 2 out of Monaghan/Tyrone/Derry
    • At least 1 out of Armagh/Donegal

    Meath can no longer qualify for the group stages based on their League position. The lowest ranked league team that could now qualify based on league position is Kildare.

    Realistically, only Kildare and Cork are in danger now of not being able to qualify based on their league position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    As a complete neutral, this will be a result that people look back on as an overall positive for Mayo.

    The schedule is going to have teams that go deep into provincials really struggling down the line, there are just too many games. Mayo should have much more left in the tank now when the proper stuff rolls around. This was always fairly meaningless for them. Of course it's nice to beat a neighbour and nice to win a province but when you've got your sights set on bigger prizes than those things don't matter too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would not accept that. Mayo/Roscommon would have had two competitive games and then a warmup game against a D4 team before starting the Sam competition.

    Sam round is not starting until late May. Mayo will now have to search around for friendly matches for next six week. The Connaught and Munster finals are always sequenced first so 2-4 weeks before Sam starts

    Sorry McStay might be putting a brave face on it. But if Mayo get a group of death then they will be going in raw to the first game. Most teams wil be avoiding them in friendlies for the last 2-3 weeks before Sam.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The provincial championships are a bit irrelevant if you are a D1 team. Nothing more than a sideshow before the championship starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    So they’re missing out on what exactly, one meaningful game against Galway by losing today? A team they have already played twice in recent weeks.

    They had a hard run in the League and will now get to recharge their batteries, play some challenges against opposition they pick, try some tactics out behind closed doors & avoid a dead rubber against a Division 4 team. A good training match amongst their own panel will probably be more use to them than playing New York or Sligo.

    I certainly got the opinion from McStay that he couldn’t care less. The provincials now only have relevance to counties who win them once in a blue moon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    The likes of Westmeath/Sligo and even Clare are going to be in these groups. Mayo will, worst case scenario, be in the provisional QF. They were just in a League final. A break will do them a lot of good.

    It's an advantage to not be more games this year, it's utterly mental to think that it would be beneficial to be playing so much.

    Armagh for example, could end up playing 11 championship games this year if they go all the way to Ulster final, don't win their group, and go on to the All Ireland. That is going to take a colossal toll on teams.

    The provinces are dead if you're in Div 1. They only matter now for teams that haven't won one in a blue moon. Mayo have enough of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Wasn't a classic the poor weather conditions didn't help but i thought it was intriguing contest in MacHale Park.

    Best and most organised team won. Winning Midfield gave them the Rossies the platform to win. Hadn't won a championship game in MacHale Park since 1986 now two wins there in their last two championship encounters.  Roscommon executed their game plan superbly, all of their players put in a monstrous shift Mayo simply never matched that on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Hardly much of a consideration, but if Galway win Connacht, they will be moving on to 48 titles, the same as Mayo. Both are currently on 34 runners up as well.

    Of course for most of those years, whoever didn't win, couldn't win an All Ireland. Mayo should have more All Irelands, because getting to the semi final was so "easy". But after 1951 they never even won a semi final until 1989. Some better success in the 1990's, and the back back door years have seen them more prominent again. With the attitude that not winning a Connacht title is sometimes a positive, it could have led to Galway and Roscommon deciding to be less competitive in some of those years. All ways round, Mayo are still waiting to repeat 1951.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    We are dealing with Mayo not Armagh. Mayo if they won today would have a two week break before Galway. If they beat Galway they would have a Connaught final against a D4 team then a three week break to Sam and playing as a top seed.

    Finishing as second or third in the group means a preliminary QF and no break before the QF. You cannot compare an Ulster's teams situation to what Mayo was looking at.

    Ulster is a totally different kettle of fish. As I said now Mayo is looking at six weeks of friendlies and hoping for a favourable draw in Sam.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    It might turn out to be a blessing in the long run but we wanted to win today and we didn't.

    Poor enough spectacle for the neutral but there was a good crowd at the match considering it was Easter sun and lashing rain. It may not have seemed like it on TV but there was a great championship atmosphere for most of the game from when the goal went in to the last few mins.

    As others have said, we went for goals way too early instead of remaining calm and working scores; I'd have thought we'd have enough experience to stick to the game plan, not a great sign

    Well done to the Rossies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    6 weeks off might be ideal for the likes of Conroy, Cillian O'Connor returning from injury but it's a nightmare for lads like O'Shea and O'Donoghue who have had a fantastic Spring. It stops momentum and leaves a lot of time to lose sharpness. Even Galway losing in the Hyde would see them a month off and leave them absolutely prone to a battle hardened provincial loser/winner. Challenge matches are barely FBD league preparation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    As 3rd seeds, our first game in the group will be away to the 1st seeds so it'll be a tough one to start with. Lose and we're likely not topping the group meaning we'll have 3 games on the bounce to make a QF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I think you need to get some perspective here - the provincial championships are two or three games. Dublin and kerry won't get out of third gear before Sam kicks off. Most teams will have only have 2 or 3 extra games in, Mayo will be well up to match fitness by the time they get to the pre-QF stage.

    Roscommon are in a worse position imo, imagining they go and win Connacht then by the time the QF rolls around they are deep into a very long season, whereas mayo have had a decent break in the middle to regroup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    Thats a pessimistic view, i wouldnt be worried about playing any of the top seeds, 1 in 3 chance it could Galway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They might not get out of third gear but they will have matches that will be a step above friendlies. As well they will have home advantage against the third seed for there first match. Now while All first seeds will want to avoid Mayo they will have a chance of drawing Westmeath or maybe a lower D1 team depending on who makes Provincial finals.

    3rd seeds will Westmeath, one of Roscommon/ Galway more than likely, and two of Tyrone Monoghan or Derry. Regrouping is grand in theory but a six week break is not really regrouping. Losing next round would have been much more preferable.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    My Predictions:

    1st Seeds: Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Tyrone

    2nd Seeds: Louth, Clare, Sligo, Armagh

    3rd Seeds: Mayo, Roscommon, Monaghan, Donegal

    4th Seeds: Derry, Cork, Kildare, Westmeath

    Galway and Roscommon could swap places.

    Ulster is a lot more wide open and Cavan could sneak in there as second seeds and knock Kildare out.

    Leinster runners up could really be anyone of 4 teams: Louth/Meath/Westmeath/Offaly.


    I don't think provincial finalists should get seeded so high going and only provincial winners should be guaranteed entry to Sam next year. The seedings should all be league based as it's a fairer system. Otherwise Kerry and Dublin will be No.1 seeds most years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    The provincial runners up seedings gives more relevance to the provincial championships, I think it should be kept for this alone otherwise you might aswell just guarantee the teams in division 1 and two (all but bottom team in sub 2) entry to Sam.

    It actually makes the league campaign even more relevant, particularly in division 2 where finishing in a higher place really matters!!

    They’ve already sidelined weaker teams enough IMO, I think of you reach a provincial final you deserve a crack at the groups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,292 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They haven't sidelined weaker teams.

    They have just created the kind of graded competition that is absolutely normal in practically every other A-level competition in sport.

    Being in the Tailteann should not be the insult some are making it out to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I wasn’t trying to put down the Tailteann cup, more retain the relevance of the provincial championship. Getting to a provincial final should still have value, I’d prefer that has more value over a league position.



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