Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

More blacks , More dogs , More Irish ! An entire generation gets that ! And I'm more than willing to discuss, even wrapped in racism !

He's pulling it out of his backside and making it up as he goes along.

He hasn't settled on if he wants to rag on asylum seekers or those granted asylum. He'll conflate the two and then separate them in his head depending on how he's floundering. In fact, I'm not sure he knows the difference or cares.

Asylum seekers / refugees / migrants - they're all the same intechangable terms to him until they're not.

You said granted asylum. There most certainly was not 15k granted asylum via the IPO last year. You're making it up, own it.

I suggest you take a time-out and actually do some reading and verse yourself in the subject. All the figures are there if you want to take a look at them - but the problem is they don't suit you.

It's not possible to have a good-faith conversation with someone who concocts figures out of thin air and then tries to slither out of it with "oh no, I mean this not that" when pulled-up on it.

Total International Protection applications in 2022: 13,651

For the first two months of 2023: 2,137

Direct from the IPO statbank, your numbers aren't adding up I'm afraid. You can try to gild the lilly with 13 month years and "approx" that rounds up to the nearest 10 thousand, but you're forgetting that all of this information is easily accessible.

Edit: Ukrainians entering Ireland in 2022 (from CSO based on PPSN issuances): 67,448 - another egregious rounding error from yourself.

I've no interest in hiding anything, only verifiable data. The CSO had 67k Ukrainian arrivals as of December 2022. You can accept reliable statistical reporting or go off on a conspiratorial mad one, up to yourself.

Of that 67k, the CSO reported that 87% were active in administrative data, which would suggest that 13% of that figure either returned to Ukraine or went elsewhere in Europe (perhaps reuniting with family in another EU state or UK).

Does data p*ss you off or something?

There's no gotcha.

What accounts for the makey uppey 20k figure? Even if we take your magic 13 month year, that's quite the rounding error. 6 or 7 k asylum seekers magic'd out of nowhere. As you say, people aren't stupid. No one is interested in hiding anything, but there is evidently an interest in some quarters in puffing up figures.

P.S, the cumulative CSO arrival figure since the start of the Ukraine war is 74k since the beginning of 2022 to latest stat release, not 80k. That's another 6k counjured out of nowhere. You're giving new meaning to the term "fakefugees". You'll have a satellite town of Dublin full of non-existant refugees before you know it.

We may as well round up the population of the country to 6 million while we're at it. #mathsbymaninasia

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Right, like I said, 74k cumulatively since start of 2022 until latest stat release. You're still pulling 5.5k out of your backside. Where are you getting your 80k from?

You're extremely bad at numbers.

While I have you, are you going to explain your makey-uppey 20k figure?

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I'd take another read of that if I were you. The 74k figure is cumulative from Feb 22 to release of stats. Are you actually being serious? There's even a big honking graph.

You've pulled the 80k out of your rear. That figure is nowhere to be found in any CSO stat release, it's a figment of your imagination.

And again, the stat release shows 83% have administrative activity after Nov. '22, which suggests 17% of that 74k are elsewhere in Europe or have returned to Ukraine.

This is some craic. Maninasia and the phantom refugees. He sees them here, he sees them there, he sees them everywhere. But don't expect him to count correctly.

Just to help you out, in table 4, the CSO for pig iron sake has provided an estimate of how many Ukrainian arrivals still remain in the state. This is based on the following: Latest activity either address change with DSP, welfare payment pickup from a post office, attendance of an Intreo event, host receiving accommodation payment, active employment, or PAYE payment from employment.

The estimated figure remaining in the state is *drum roll*... 61,844 people

Not quite you're fake makey-uppey 80k is it?

This is CSO data, modelled, verified and compiled by professional statisticians. You're pulling numbers out of your backside. There's the difference.

The more pertinent question is why are you concocting fake numbers?

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The record stands that you're making up fake numbers all over the shop.

Your 80k and 20k are made up hogwash, you tried to pawn them off on people and got filleted for your trouble. By CSO estimate, the number of Ukrainians remaining in the state is 31% less than your made-up number.

Your asylum claim numbers were proven to be utterly fake as well. Zero-credibility poster.