Considering renting for 6-8 months while working abroad, Ukrainian refugees easiest option?

And right there is the problem. "You act within the law". Now let that just sink in there for a while. It will come to you if you think about it from a property owners point of view :)

This is hard work Dav :)

And dont start with accusations of racism here. You are the one who seems to want to limit this conversation to Ukrainian refugees, you (post #59)).

So how long will it take the OP to get their property back if the person (anyone, of any nationality, to be clear) living there decides they want to try their luck with the RTB? How long, when they act within the law?

Come on, just answer the question? What is the worst case scenario for the OP for how long it takes them to move into their property, acting within the law of course?

... and do what with the money?

This is a massive problem in Ireland. The government has made it (deliberately) so unattractive to invest money in anything other than Irish property.

Coupled with 20+ years of anti-landlord legislation equals housing crisis.

There are many empty houses in this country that people don't want to rent out, for obvious reasons, but won't sell because there is no better investment for them. The government wants to keep it that way.

Fair point. Bitcoin? Heh

Talked to my local authority about this recently.

They said that there is a relaxed form of "Min standards in Rental Accommodation 2019" needed for letting to Ukrainians. However they were unable to furnish me a copy.

Might be worth perusing the 2019 Guidelines. https://assets.gov.ie/201342/fdc24a91-7cb1-4e33-9b1e-55baa88a9aee.pdf

The 100 odd pages may sway your decision. Particularly the window locks and ventilation and fire precautions etc

The other aspect you must consider is how long is the government going to keep paying 800 eur for each Ukrainian? It could be overnight announced that the payment will be cut and you will be left house them.

I know for fact other countries have start cutting back that accommodation payment.

Until the next "surprise" legislation change.

oh yes, as we all know, the legislation never changes. And there was me wondering why landlords are all saying. It must be because the government dont change the rules every 5 minutes. You can link what you like. Changes are it will have changed in 6 months. OR do you have some sort of proof that legislation hasnt been changing every few months and its just our imagination.

You probably had link a few years ago that stated that a tenancy could be terminated after 4 years. Or another link the year before that for less time for termination. Or anoher link where rent could be increased 4%, but another link a few months later that said it couldnt, it could only be increased by inflation. Ot another link a few month after that that said it was now 2%.

Yep. Legislation never changes. Keep clicking your heels and telling yourself that.

What are you on about?

They previously changed tenancy law, as it relates to tenancies. A license is not a tenancy, they could not be more clear about it, no rent is being paid, no tenancy exists.

You are just engaging in whataboutery, as I pointed out to you many times at this stage, the conditions under which the Government requested offers of accommodation are unambiguous, and easy for almost everyone to understand.

You are just going to continue making stupid arguments aren’t you?

There is no tenancy, how can that not be clear to you are this stage? To change legislation to make what isn’t a tenancy, a tenancy would first of all require the legislation be discussed, then enacted, during which time every owner would boot their licensees out. Hotels and B&B owners housing refugees would become landlords and guests/licensees tenants, not to mention the legal challenges which would arise given the conditions that were stated when requesting offers of accommodation from the public and the statements made on the gov.ie site.

You are just getting stuck into this because you want to be the “what if” guy who thinks he will be proved right. Is is possible Joe Biden will pull down his pants and take a dump in front of TDs in the Dail? Yes. Will it happen? Of course not.

There is only one person being stupid here. Its not your first time either. Look, lets agree to disagree, because everyone else can draw their own conclusions based on the last 10 years.

Technically you are correct as in Ukrainians are not legally renters.

But what Down by Garden is trying to say is many items have been wishy washy in the last year so out of blue if you house Ukrainians and their term is over and they don't find accommodation, you can't tell if they will bring last minute rule where they can stay put.... Rather than violin coming out and having bad press because refugees are left homeless.

See for example the ban has expired and government have more or less told tenants they can overhold... Not legal but seems possible lately in Ireland.

Not looking for an argument but pointing out rules haven't been exactly fair lately and anything can happen.

Are you asking me if there are documented cases of licensees refusing to leave? Documented where? It can’t be documented in the RTB because the RTB has no jurisdiction over licensees, it can’t be documented in the SCC as this rules only on deposit disputes. So where would you think something like that would be documented?

I have no documented evidence that aliens haven’t landed on earth either, just in case you ever wonder.

I very much doubt that the refugees are happy to leave hotels and possibly become homeless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/03/04/refugees-told-they-are-to-be-moved-as-hotels-prepare-for-holiday-season/

I’m not wrong, you just don’t seem to be able to understand the gov.ie links I provided to support my viewpoint.

Here is another one:

Will there be any form of formal agreement?

There is no requirement to enter a formal arrangement. However, it is recommended that property owners and beneficiaries sign a temporary accommodation licence agreement to protect the rights of the property owner and the beneficiary, and to protect the property itself.

The local authority can provide a template agreement, which can be used or adapted as required. Ukrainian and Russian language versions of the templates are available.

The ‘licence period’ should be stated on the licence agreement. At the end of the period, the licence period can be extended with the agreement of all parties.

Its not like there isn’t a whole lot of information provided by the Government, Local Authorities, and DCEDIY about this, you are just ignoring it and saying “it might change, granting the licensees a right to stay there against the wishes of the owner”.

You are just posting whataboutery BS, the Government has clearly stated in all communications about this:

”Rent is not payable as you are offering the property”.

They are not tenants, they are licensees/guests, and are only there as long as the owner agrees to it, for the duration they agreed.