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  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Mike3549



    The US has not yet begun supplying weapons to Ukraine under Lend-Lease, - Politico

     Deliveries have not yet begun due to the US unwillingness to impose monetary obligations on Ukraine and bipartisan approval of support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    “We prioritize security assistance that they won’t have to pay us for,” a senior Biden administration official explained.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Really,i guess google and common sense isnt your strongest ally

    Ill leave at that

    Se will see next year if the war is still raging

    Only thing thats going to change that is Ukraines succsess in the offensive

    Remember Russia have enough to fight at this rate for another 2 years




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    So now your are saying common sense isn't my strong ally while you also in an earlier post accused me of not being able to see the big picture and in another that I was whining about your numbers you used to support your russia big argument which were easily demonstrated by a quick google search to be wrong. I believe you are the one who is not very well aligned with common sense and good luck with your putin fan boy attitude as I don't see the point any more of replying to someone who repeatedly just ignores the valid points I have made to demonstrate your faith in attrition being on putin's side is nonsense.

    I'm not sure if you have noticed but the attacks by putin's forces have been ground down to minuscule levels of progress and Ukraine has liberated significant amounts of their country so saying putin's forces have enough to fight at the current rate for another 2 years doesn't point to them getting anything positive from their invasion.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Saw a report on BBC news about those leaked documents and mention was made of alterations having been made to what was released so I have my doubts on how much we can rely on the figures in them being accurate. I don't think putin attacking civilian targets will help him in the longer term as it will boost international resolve to see his side removed from Ukraine and a growing support for Ukraine being supplied with long range attack capabilities and more modern weapons including western fighter jets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    And yet, it says nothing about 5 times more stuff.

    From 3 days to take Kiev, to a 4 year war. Lets meet in the middle and agree it will end at the end of the year



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  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Repo101


    It's not going to end by the middle of this decade and probably will last long into the future. Ukraine won't accept the status quo nor can Ukraine accept a settlement agreement with Russia as Russia has broken several signed agreements on the territorial integrity of Ukraine. It's difficult to see an end when Russia has managed to score so many own goals including the doubling of NATO on it's borders. An irrational autocrat is in desperation mode, who knows what is next.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    We don't know ... A series of humiliating battlefield defeats for Russia , could get Putin the chop very quick , and it depends who and what faction replaces him .. not having cash to buy new support could be a big deal ..

    A few humiliating failed assaults for Ukraine are more likely to bring a stalemate , and eventually the west pushing for compromise ..

    If Ukraine put off a massive assault and keep goading the Russians into more stupid assaults then who knows - a few more volhedars may break the back of the Russian army ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    We hear a lot about Bakhmut and around that area. But very little about the rest of Ukriane. What's happening behind the front line in other areas? Are missiles/drones still causing havoc or has life settled somewhat across the country away from the front line?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    There is fighting at all points along the line of contact, and the Russians are occasionally using missiles/drones to attack Ukraine. The absence of information doesn't suggest that things are peaceful, so much as they are not newsworthy. Every day hundreds of soldiers die, and while a lot of them are in Bakhmut, they are also in other parts of the front.

    Russia had several unsuccessful attacks, and Ukraine had a few unsuccessful counter attacks further south near Avdiivka and Vuheldar.

    Kherson city regularly gets hit with pot shots from Russian artillery. Recently, both Ukraine and Russia reported on a missile strike on Zaporzhizhia, although the Russians claim it was a fuel depot and the Ukrainians that it was a residential house.

    Even in areas which are not frontline, the war most likely dominates daily life. How could it not, with so many people who have fled or are internally displaced, with people joining the armed forces all the time, or people contributing to the war effort by offering mechanical services or building drones, ammunition etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I remember reports that Russia would run out of tanks, artillery, and men at various points last year.

    We've had news reports for close to a year detailing how underresourced Russian soldiers were and how they were close to breaking.

    We were told that the breakthrough at Kharkiv was the beginning of the end and that similar breakthroughs were only a matter of weeks away.


    Russia is still fighting and still has plenty of men and materiel to throw into this conflict.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The documents leaked around 1 month ago and went seemingly unnoticed for several weeks - sitting on a minecraft server or something. Once they started circulating more widely, yes - some Russian trolls crudely edited some slides about casualty numbers. However since the originals were already circulating and with older timestamps it was easy to dismiss these crude fakes.

    The documents overall are considered genuine, embarrassing to the US and a number of pro-West media outlets have written articles about them. Reports that Ukraine is almost out of Soviet air-defense missiles are coming from these pro-Western sources. It should not come as any surprise - these (BUK and S300) are Soviet systems - Ukraine had a certain quantity of missiles and once they're gone, they're gone. Some ex-Soviet countries might have the odd missile to give them but nothing significant.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Which reports exactly? The Russians have run out of tanks - there is simply no other explanation for the reemergence of Cold War era T62 tanks with some minor upgrades and additions.

    They also ran out of men. Again, this is undenyable. Why would they mobilise 300k or more people if they didnt have a manpower shortage.

    Their stocks of artillery are finite. They have shown an ability to source far more artillery than expected - whether thrlugh larger old stocks, increased production over the last few years, getting supplies from North Korea, Iran or other vountries etc. There are reports that Russia is firing less ammo now than at times last year, though to be fair that could be for operational reasons rather than lack of resources. However, Prigozin and others have complained about the shortages of ammo at the front, so there is some evidence of supply related problems. Since Russia isnt as open about procurement as the US is, we can only speculate. But no country has unlimited artillery ammunition, barrells, gunners etc.

    Again who exactly said that about Kharkiv? You might recall that shortly after that they also pushed the Russians back in a "tactical retreat" in Kherson. I dont recall anyone suggesting that the war was nearly over, but again the victory at Kharkiv signalled a turning of the tide and a significant bloody nose for Russia, from which they have not recovered.

    Russia is still fighting and still dangerous, but for how long?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    The leaked documents also reveal that the US expects the current stalemate in the Donbas to continue throughout 2023. This downbeat assessment is based on the best intelligence available (as of late Feb). So those expecting the Russians to run out of resources and forecasting a speedy conclusion to this are probably going to be disappointed.

    The official also pointed out that it was alarming to see one of the documents from February titled “Russia-Ukraine: Battle for the Donbas Region Likely Heading for a Stalemate Throughout 2023.” The document notes the challenges with assessing the “endurance of Ukraine’s operations.”

    “Gains for Ukraine will be hard to accomplish, but it does not help to have the private US assessment pointing to a likely yearlong stalemate revealed publicly,” the official said.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I remember hearing Russia was the second best army in the world. Do you remember that or is your remembering very selective?

    Russia will be defeated. It's already lost, just depends how many people Putin is willing to sacrifice (Russian and Ukrainian) to his ego. That's not to say this war cannot go on for years yet, but Ukraine cannot/will not allow Russia to win. If it does, Putin or Putin mk 2 will go for more Ukraine. It's absurd to think that Putin doesn't take this humiliation lightly. He's raging, and his rage will continue until he rights 'the wrong' of making Ukraine make him look like a tinpot dictator. Ukraine knows if they have a ceasefire now, Putin will march his muscovites back into Ukraine ASAP.

    Now, Ukraine did so well that the West has backed them, will they be so 'lucky' next time? Who knows, the Muscovites may learn their lesson and professionalise, given time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not necessarily true we don't know whats going to change and whats not come the summer,the maps could dramatically over the next few months essentially when the Ukrainians start the planned counter offensive, there's not going to be a lot of stalemates anywhere in Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If true about Ukraine running out of air defence missiles, could have serious implications for the offensive.

    Russia not being able to gain air superiority in the war has been a huge factor in Ukraine being able to hold Russia back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think history isn't going to be too kind on the stupidity of not at least training Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16s, F-18s or similar, starting around July last year.

    Particularly since they sought and got $100 million in funding to do exactly that, last July. Why seek the funding if you had no intention of using it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Unfortunately for the Russians they may be running low on some missles but ukraine currently operate multiple air defense systems,and most importantly manpads which are taking down multiple Russian aircraft per week,



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Interesting that Ukraine is making it's own ammunition in Poland. I'd imagine that factory will be busy for the forseeable future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bakhmut while still holding out to a degree, Ukraine currently holding less than 15% of the city since the lastest push from the Russians ,it looks like Wagner forces push forward in street fighting, before handing over the area to the Russian military, while the Ukrainians have re-enforced the city at least twice they are still losing ground, despite inflicting heavy losses on the Russians , Russian artillery and aircraft seem to be tipping the balance in their favor



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,159 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They are becoming more successful. Citizens even have apps that warn of missile strikes and the number of missiles launched in an attack. The reporter said that if there are say 10 launched they expect none to get through but if the number is say 80 then a few will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet Russian missles regularly do get through,we already know that they have limited systems to defend the country so chance's are they might not be trying to shoot down every missle fired at them ,

    Much like the Israeli iron done arguebly the Best Air defense system in operational but due the cost of operation it will only activate when there is a threat of mass loss of life



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yeah im more talking about air defences for attack planes and helicopters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Manpads will deal with most of them,as it stands the Russians are launching missles from aircraft on their side of the black sea,

    safe from Anti aircraft missles ,

    With the exception of those aircraft and helicopters being shot down regularly around bakhmut and elsewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Just reading on this thread about the war supposedly being over by the end of the year?

    Doubt it very much.

    It’s in chinas interest to have a weakened Russia tied up in this war so that it can keep getting as much cheap gas and oil off Russia that it possibly can.

    China will keep buying up this cheap fuel and funding russias war effort, plus there’s evidence that they are supplying semiconductors to Russia along with non lethal aid.

    A weakened Russia is goldust for China with its eyes on lake baikil.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,659 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    US has grave concerns about Ukraine's ability to mount a credibly large contingent to retake territory according to leaked docs.

    The context being Ukraine realistically only has one shot at a big counter-offensive. It just has to work. Can only imagine the amount of planning going in to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It would make you wonder where has all the money and weapons from the west gone if this is true. Either way, if Ukraine have not broken Russia by the end of the year this means that the west has practically abandoned Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Considering that Nato countries are training thousands of Ukrainans every couple of weeks ,I'd say that report is well wide of the mark and that's if it's actually genuine



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russophile’s taking the ‘Ukraine not going to have enough resources/no need to worry’ disinformation like champs. 😀

    Wishful thinking like the West is going to give up on Ukraine is where Russophiles are at.



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