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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    no AFAIK they took care of tax, Cohen was paid way more than $130k, iirc it was 12 payments of $35k each. Some of that might have been the other payments to the Playboy model Karen Douglas but in the statement of facts the overpayment to Cohen is discussed as allowing him to net $130k for the Stormy Daniels pay off after he had paid his income taxes on a larger amount.

    Maybe Cohen was ensuring a paper trail to snare Trump if any of this came to light. Because youd think Trump could have gotten $150k cash pretty quickly when running a hotel in NY. He could have sent a Trump Tower gofer down to Macys, buy Cohen a watch worth $150k as a bonus then Cohen converts his soon to be lost watch to $130k cash and pays Stormy. When they first discussed the scheme Trump wanted to pay her cash, it was Cohen who led Trump into the plan of setting up a shell company which ultimately got them caught. Without that paper trail Cohen was probably looking at almost 10 years in prison rather than the less than two he served. Trump would have thrown him right under the bus, maybe after years as working as Trumps fixer and shafting people on Trumps behalf he knew all too well that he was likely next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Exactly this. And in addition to being a cheap con-man he also really thinks that he is a genius, but in reality is at best a bit dim witted. The problem is that he has spent his entire life surrounded by yes men telling him how smart he is and how brilliant everything he dribbles out of his mouth is, so he thinks that the reason no one else thought of his stupid ideas is that they aren't smart enough. Hence brilliant ideas like injecting bleach to kill Covid. I have no doubt that he really thought that no one else was smart enough to think of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Tsk tsk!

    Just because *you* never had the brilliant idea of nuking a hurricane!

    /s

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Biden's own numbers are pretty underwhelming and yeah anyone half competent has a chance against him , but the issue is the GOP voters really like Trump. They have been given numerous examples over the last few election cycles how toxic MAGA is to the swing states , but so much of MAGA is about owing the libs and following a conman in Trump rather than focusing on winning elections. The Dem's want Trump to win the GOP nomination, not their fault the GOP base are so in love with a loser like Trump though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    If Trump is dim witted then it makes the democrats who have been trying and failing for 7 to impeach and convict him even more dim witted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    He won Florida by more than Newsom won California, that's an astonishing achievement tbf.

    Have a look at how he flipped Miami Dade for example, you may not like him , but he clearly has something about him electorally.

    Whether he survives a primary with Trump is another story unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "No this is what Democrats are doing as they know Biden won't beat Ron DeSantis if he is the wins the nomination."

    Democrats aren't bringing these cases.

    On what basis do you presume to know that Biden would not beat DeSantis. Have you seen national polling to support that?



    "They really want Trump to run and these doomed cases in New York will help him win the nomination."

    What cases are doomed?


    "It's a shame really as DeSantis would be a great Nominee and President."

    DeSantis is not popular outside of Florida. What makes you think he would be a good president?


    "Also If Trump hadn't gone down the childish route of slagging him off it could have been Trump/DeSantis ticket."

    Ah here, are you expecting, after all these years, that Trump would be a team player and not have his ego rocked by someone else getting the limelight? Oh my sweet summer child...


    BTW - I asked you months ago, what made you switch from Trump to DeSantis? What event in particular?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    How are the democrats at fault, or "dim witted", because the Republicans failed to vote to convict?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Outside of Florida , DeSantis doesn't have a personal "base" beyond the standard issue GOP voter.

    He might be a bit more palatable to Independents in Swing States , but if he beats Trump then he loses the MAGA voters who will either sit out the election or put Trump as a write-in. Either way , he loses.

    The GOP's problem is that they are all terrified of the Trump base which is meaningful in the Primaries , but really not that important on the National stage.

    None of them will really attack Trump during the Primaries for fear of alienating that 25/30% of the GOP vote that is hard-core MAGA whereas Trump will throw everything possible in their direction knowing that they really can't return fire.

    If Trump is still in the race and I see no reason why he won't be then he wins the GOP nomination because the GOP are cowards, but after that there's really nothing that Trump can or will do to grow his support among Independents who are the key to victory in all the swing States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,777 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Tried for 7 to impeach? WTF? 7 what? TFG polluted the WH for only 4 years and was impeached, but not convicted by the Senate, twice. So, the impeachments were successful.


    Sad thing is, the US really needs a working impeachment process for senior government officials (here's looking at you, Clarence "Friend of a Nazi memorabilia collector" Thomas), and doesn't have one, and amending the Constitution is massively unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    How do you figure that shows he is smarter than them? They successfully impeached him. Twice. He wasn't convicted either time, but the second impeachment more members of his own party voted to convict than any President or former President in history. And a large number of members of his own party were willing to admit that he was morally responsible for the 6 January insurrection, even though for purely partisan reasons they were unwilling to vote to convict. If today's GOP were in place when Nixon was President he would never have resigned. The only reason he did resign is because the Senate Republicans came to him and let him know that the House was going to impeach him, and that when it went to the Senate for trial they would vote to convict. So he resigned before he could be impeached. The only reason he wasn't convicted in either impeachment trial was the unwillingness of Republicans to vote to convict, regardless of the evidence. And even so on the second trial 7 of them did vote to convict.

    As far as convictions go, the wheels of justice in the US turn slowly. Especially when the rich and/or powerful are involved. During his time as President he was basically immune to prosecution, so the investigations into his crimes had to wait until he left office. Mueller's report from his investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election made it very clear that the only reason that charges weren't filed against Trump at the time was because the DoJ has a policy against indicting a sitting President. However Trump has been indicted on 34 felony counts so far. I expect that total will continue going up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yeah shame it’s republicans in that grand jury in Georgia

    Also Republican Senators really don’t want to see him run again. They don’t want to have to attach their careers to an impeachment 4 5 and 6 even though we already know before the offense has even occurred they would vote to acquit out of partisan reasons.

    Couple that with reports that folks like Ted Cruz are trying to workshop how to sound less extreme far right. One of the easiest ways to do that is for Trump to be out and admit yeah I never cared for the guy he insulted my wife etc. 🤣



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And those 34 Felony counts are for a case where he was already considered an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the previous court proceedings that got Cohen a few years in jail.

    Whilst it is the "weakest" of the deluge of cases he has pending it doesn't fora second mean that it shouldn't be prosecuted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,462 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    25%, I guess all those CTs regarding the Dems wanting to make Trump more popular look really silly now..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ha2_11WAM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,973 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think republicans forget how often Bill Clinton getting impeached came up in 2016 convos, they relished it to their detriment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ben Shapiro, notable rightwing jewish political commentator, really does his best effort to defend Harlan Crow and Clarence Thomas over the fact the former keeps an entire display of collected Nazi memerobilia.

    'to show to his kids' in a garden display apparently to prove 'how great judeo christian capitalism is'

    I guess that's why you can't step into a Wall Street lobby without seeing nazi memorabilia, always loving how much we defeated the nazis you know.

    The end is hilarious, Ben is cracking up at his own argument that he simply kept Nazi memorabilia because he hates it so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The E Jean Carroll trial starts on the 25th. Something we really will see in 2 weeks!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This is really the one ive been waiting for, the shenanigans around the dna sample is truly baffling though he denied supplying it for years and then once discovery was complete decided he wanted to supply it? Also since discovery was closed the judge refused Trumps offer so now there will be no DNA evidence at the trial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I guess they can't use the dna sample of trump that he had to give on his previous arraignment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    So by their logic, because it went down party lines, either:

    • trump wasn't impeached (So Clinton wasn't impeached)
    • Clinton was impeached (So trump was impeached twice)

    Oh the mental gymnastics. What to do, what to do...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ah yeah, that political key jingling.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/15/nyregion/trump-carroll-rape-suit-dna.html

    Gets asked etc. for DNA, refuses, objects, appeals, tries to offer a quid pro quo.... discovery period closes and trial is scheduled... offers DNA way past his opportunity to comply.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Ehhh... Clinton was impeached, and found not guilty on two counts.

    Perjury:

    Not guilty 55 Vs 45 (10 Republicans voting not guilty)

    Obstruction of justice:

    Not guilty 50 Vs 50 - (5 Republicans voting not guilty)

    Super majority needed to convict (67 votes)

    Whew! Am I so tired from all that mental gymnastics.

    /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    And while Trump's first impeachment was pretty much down party lines (2 Democrats voted against 1 article of impeachment and 3 voted against the other in the House, while in the Senate 1 Republican voted to convict on 1 of the articles), the second one was much less so. 10 Republicans voted in favour of the article of impeachment in the House, while 7 Republicans voted to convict in the Senate. Not enough to actually convict him but enough for it to be very meaningful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dan Goldman escalates remarks to accuse Jordan and others of Criminal Obstruction

    The first is based on the public reporting. Jim Jordan, and perhaps Kevin McCarthy and others, are essentially colluding with Donald Trump to intervene and interfere in — for Congress to intervene and interfere in an ongoing investigation. Donald Trump is essentially using the House Republicans as his taxpayer-funded legal defense team, and they are now completely outside of their jurisdiction. There is no basis for them to intervene in an ongoing criminal investigation and prosecution at the state level. It’s not even a federal matter here. It’s a state level.


    And what they are so transparently doing is trying to assist Donald Trump for political purposes, which is completely outside the bounds of any official use of congressional authority. So this is far, far beyond their jurisdiction, and it’s a gross abuse of power.


    The irony not only of Jim Jordan, who defied a congressional subpoena himself, issuing congressional subpoenas, is perhaps only outdone by his own weaponization subcommittee, where he’s claiming that Democrats have weaponized the federal government when he is 100% weaponizing Congress to intervene in Donald Trump’s criminal prosecution.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,267 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Jordan is on serious ground, crossing the boundaries between legislative and judicial.



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