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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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    #3902
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,967 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467547#Comment_120467547

    It’s a recruitment advert. What’s odd about trying to reach a wide audience with an advert?



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    #3903
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467503#Comment_120467503

    For all the parties we have, there are no reasonable alternatives….nobody is even willing to debate or even recognise the documented concerns of citizens, we who pay them to represent us, our interests and wellbeing... no calling for compromise ? Alternate solutions ?

    People need to think about this stuff before they vote. Okay immigration was not a major issue in the last general election, and most of the parties were not talking about it a lot in the campaign. But were any of them indicating they would pursue restrictive policies if they got into government? Okay nobody could have foreseen the Ukranian exodus, but I don't see any good reason to expect the parties of government to have handled it much differently to how they have.



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    #3904
    Jeff2
    Registered Users Posts: 7,075 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467565#Comment_120467565

    It's in fecken Russian ffs. A wider audience, really.



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    #3905
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120463276#Comment_120463276

    This is the best recent post, laying out the issues unemotionaly.


    MEANWHILE we have out of touch Ministers such as O'BRIEN openly stating we need to prepare to take in another 80,000 this year when we can't accommodate the existing asylum seekers, never mind have remotely enough school places or hospital beds or guards or you name it....


    There should be limits. Even asylum seekers and refugees that came here often state the same thing, after they arrive.



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    #3906
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,615 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467547#Comment_120467547

    They're advertising in different languages. They've put identical tweets in French, Portuguese and Lithuanian, as well as other languages.

    Seems a good idea. One criticism that has often been made of the Gardai is that non nationals and ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented compared to other European police forces.



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    #3907
    creeper1
    Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭creeper1


    About 1200 migrants were recently rescued from Italian waters. The story is they set sail from Libya or Tunisia. Is that credible? Could they have really unaided traversed the entire Mediterranean sea?

    https://youtu.be/G0pr6RRCg1s



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    #3908
    slay55
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭slay55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467226#Comment_120467226

    Irish government wants them , other governments do not. That’s the difference



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    #3909
    Guildenstern
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    We seem to be around a decade behind mainland Europe. If we were joined in the sea, we'd be more closer to the experiences of the countries on the continent.

    The polls back a couple of months back has spooked the government as well as the last EU Leaders meeting where the issue was front and centre.

    I'm expecting to hear more from government about their concern re availability of accommodation together with the reduction in allowances as they rowed back on the financial deal to Ukrainians.

    That'll be the 'strategy' and of course hope along with any larger EU initiatives that aim to stem the flow, that we can benefit from that.

    Yes, I know. Not very strategic thinking but par for the course. Expect more dialogue pushing the whole issue back to Brussels/we're all in this together, it's a European wide problem/our international obligations etc etc.

    I'd like to see more regular polls on the issue as well.



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    #3910
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467607#Comment_120467607

    It's not the best post really. Because it's still peddling nonsense. 15k were not granted asylum in 2022.

    You two need to sit down with a dictionary and study it.



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    #3911
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467607#Comment_120467607

    Laying out fake figures 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #3912
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468338#Comment_120468338

    You got nothing else to say I guess.



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    #3913
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468824#Comment_120468824

    There should be loads of supporters opening up their homes and back gardens for the homeless asylum seekers that they are encouraging to come here.



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    #3914
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468828#Comment_120468828

    The IPO decision figures are freely available. You posted false figures. Again.



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    #3915
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468870#Comment_120468870

    No the poster highlighted that the other poster put-up false figures. Again.

    The people with nothing to say are the ones lying post after post.



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    #3916
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468878#Comment_120468878

    How's the solution for the growing number of homeless refugees/asylum seekers coming along?


    Tourist season is coming fast.


    Numbers are only going up.


    What's the plan?

    Nothing. Silence.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0412/1376527-asylum-seekers/



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    #3917
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468889#Comment_120468889

    Very basic. He (and you in previous posts) has been caught out posting false figures. And are aware at this stage they are false. But he and you don't care. You just want to repeat them no matter what and cross your fingers nobody calls you out.

    Why should anyone listen to contributers constitionally incapable of being honest?

    You have nothing to say because you flat-out refuse to have a good faith conversation.



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    #3918
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You got nothing to say about solving the issue of the rapidly GROWING number of homeless asylum seekers.


    It's remarkable.

    Your concern is duly noted.



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    #3919
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468913#Comment_120468913

    Oh I'm sure you're very concerned about homeless asylum seekers and homelessness generally.

    Word of warning: if you attempt to post bs figures, you'll get called out. By me or someone else.



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    #3920
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    It seems you aren't interested in solving the problem, only downplaying the numbers , fingers in the ears time.



    The problem is...the problem is getting worse. And so far you got absolutely nothing to say about it.



    Homeless asylum seekers numbers DOUBLING.

    Why is it getting worse ?

    Come on tell us you have a lot to say about other things?

    Why is it getting worse ?


    You get an awful lot of leeway the way you fling accusations about here about posters then no proactive contribution..


    Just sniping from the sidelines at myself and others.



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    #3921
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468933#Comment_120468933

    I'm not downplaying any numbers. I'm calling out bullsh*t made-up numbers.

    The only people playing with numbers is you and your sidekick. You've been caught out lying dozens of times and are snippy about it.



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    #3922
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You have gone radio silent about the 500 homeless asylum seekers .


    What's the plan?


    Hotel contracts expiring all over the state.



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    #3923
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,967 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468873#Comment_120468873

    I presume the same logic applies to all government services? No one should complain about poor mental health services unless they're ready to give psychological counselling themselves? No one can complain about crime levels unless they're prepared to chase and detain criminals themselves? No one can complain about hospital waiting lists unless they're prepared to glove up and start operating themselves?



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    #3924
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Some folks complain a lot when you show that there is no plan and no limits is not a strategy. They claim you are a bad actor, a this or that. Shouting on the internet.


    They say 'you shouldn't say that' .But then what should you say when things aren't working ?


    You should ask them how they will solve it if they don't like your proposal.

    Right? Fair enough?


    There are 500 and rising asylum sleepers sleeping rough out there while hotels are going back to tourism.



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    #3925
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468990#Comment_120468990

    No. They just object to made-up figures and lying. Which you are guilty of.



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    #3926
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    So...nothing. No plan. Fingers in the ears time.


    Will you accept the problem is getting worse?


    That's what RTE just stated. Surely you aren't going to question the government mouthpiece ?

    Not everybody can have made up figures. Somebody has to have the correct numbers somewhere!!!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0412/1376527-asylum-seekers/



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    #3927
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120469004#Comment_120469004

    What am I the National Planning Institute?

    Again. Very basic. My contribution to this thread has basically been limited to calling out bullsh*t numbers, because it was obvious they were bullsh*t and overstated for a political purpose.

    If you have a problem you want solved, the first step is measuring it accurately, not pulling numbers out of your backside.



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    #3928
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Yeah very very very basic contribution.

    You have been busy trying to reduce the numbers any way you could. How about RTE's numbers ?


    They believable suddenly? Why?


    I don't have any political position, that must be your own purpose.



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    #3929
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120469092#Comment_120469092

    I think I handed out a few lessons to be honest. But I'll leave that for others to judge.

    Bullsh*t generally doesn't find a home in threads like these.



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    #3930
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Oh yeah the lesson that asylum seekers and ISPs coming to the state numbering up to 100,000 in 13 months during an historical housing and health crisis.


    306,000 pps numbers issued, up 80% in one year. Bullshit my arse.


    500 homless asylum seekers and trending upwards. RTE numbers are okay though 👌 Or Bullshit ?


    Numbers are all there. But no plan, just trying your best to pick a few holes from the sidelines. No data posted yourself proactively.



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    #3931
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120469120#Comment_120469120

    What are you still prattling on about 300k PPS numbers when you (at least should) know hundreds of thousands of that number are Irish births, Irish returnees from abroad, EU citizens with treaty rights etc?

    Your 100k figure above has been proven to be false already. You're still at it.

    You're habitually lying.



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