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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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    #12002
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The ptrb has to be the worst run organisation ever.



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    #12003
    ginger22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/dairy-advice/gillian-osullivan-why-we-are-switching-to-foliar-nitrogen-application-42421216.html



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    #12004
    cosatron
    Registered Users Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭cosatron


    horrific rain here today. had to put the cows back in, only let them out on thursday, the joys of milking cows in the west.



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    #12005
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Brought in the cows also. They were unhappy outside and starting to make a mess. Looks like theirs some decent weather not too far off. I’ll take the rain and the wind as long as the power stays on.



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    #12006
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,204 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    In here since 2 and most likely keep them in tonight too …..won’t make much milk huddled at a gap or under the ditch …..tucking into wc wheat and last of good bales of grass silage ….can’t beat having enough quality grub in yard



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    #12007
    blackdog1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Just ordered enough maize meal for the next 2 weeks. That's it then hopefully. At this stage it's just trying to keep the condition on the cows and holding milk yields.



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    #12008
    Coolcormack1979
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Mine came in themselves.lucky have plentiful supply of silage.days like today piss u right off but it will turn and like all farmers we have memories like a sieve and forget the crap quickly



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    #12009
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120465565#Comment_120465565

    My ration salesman was saying the best thing for a lad struggling to get to grass is to get a 50/50 mix of maize/distillers. Beet will only go off he said.

    I have mine out for a few hours, will bring them in for a bit of comfort later.



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    #12010
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭alps


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120466491#Comment_120466491

    Of course he doesn't sell beet😄



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    #12011
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120466692#Comment_120466692

    I know. He made sense though I thought.



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    #12012
    Wildsurfer
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    I would see where he's coming from though I end up throwing away a nice few tonne of beet whenever I get it as mould starts growing on it before you get to use it up



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    #12013
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Have lads got enough silage to keep feeding. Using 2021 bales on outfarm, glad to have them..Still a good lot left on homefarm. Feck all grazing done though



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    #12014
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120466722#Comment_120466722

    Maybe you could even use up the 50/50 mix on weanlings at grass if the weather cleared up earlier than you thought...



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    #12015
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120466735#Comment_120466735

    Feeding since august here, trying to finish off the pit now there’s so little left in it. Glad to have it



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    #12016
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I'm feeding beet, hay and 5kg in the parlour. Come in at 1 in the day, out of silage since yesterday. Out day and night



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    #12017
    Good loser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭Good loser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120463585#Comment_120463585

    That's mostly a rubbishy rant.

    Govt built Council houses years ago when they were spending feck all on Social Welfare; now the SW spending is sky high, probably €25 bn a year.



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    #12018
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 9,730 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467584#Comment_120467584

    Appears u have very little grasp of basic economics relating to inflation and value of money now, compared to decades ago etc. so be be carefull using terms like "rubbishy rant" against others who actually lived threw these periods of mass unemployment etc. I also suggest you look up how much money this government is spending on the likes of HAP over the past 5 years compared to building houses in a low interest rate environment, which is also driving inflation in the rental market



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    #12019
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The nitrates is really going to take legs from under dairying in the near future.if i may be so bold as to use siamsa s situation of a farmer on 75 acres.up to this under derogation he could reasonably expect to milk 60 cows and rear his replacements.this year with banding he will lose2 cows assuming middle band.from next year thats its going to 220 so he will lose another 6 cows.add in the prospect of retainong all calves to 3 months and the fact they are now counted from day 1 could mean another 3 cows give or take. So he is now down to 50.if derogation goes and we are down to 170 thats another hit this will realy hurt knocking over 10 cows off his herd.my figures are rough but they not far away and gives you an idea why guys are forking out big money for acres.alot are just retaining the cow numbers in an effort to justify previous investment and probaly using last years profit to justify it.quotas are backing just in a different form



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    #12020
    Green&Red
    Registered Users Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467625#Comment_120467625

    This is a dairy thread, can you take the housing talk somewhere else



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    #12021
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468140#Comment_120468140

    I couldn't disagree with much of that.

    Another aspect that doesn't add up is that it'll push dairy farmers to get rid of their calves ASAP (be it 14 days, 28 days, or 3 months). This is not going to financially motivate anyone to breed good beef calves. It'll continue driving a wedge between dairy and dairy-beef despite the official line that they are supposed to be working together.

    The €100k experts are forgetting about the calves again.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #12022
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468188#Comment_120468188

    I see the calves being reared to 3 months(off milk) on most dairy farms soon.its already gone to 6 weeks this year.edit to say if you carry a genuine 3 week old calf to the marts near here you ll get no bid.except maybe contintel.



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    #12023
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468210#Comment_120468210

    I could be wrong but don't some UK co-ops already require farmers to keep calves til they're 12 months? Apparently it's written into the supply contract.

    Right or wrong, it'll reduce milk production as cow numbers have to be reduced and it's unlikely beef production will make up that shortfall.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #12024
    ginger22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468140#Comment_120468140

    Your calculations are just about correct. Will drive a lot of smaller family farms out of dairying. It just wont be viable. Then there are the bigger lads who have grown in the last few years and have large financial commitments. Not looking rosy there either. Lads need to prepare to farm without derogation. It will not be available long term. The only consolation may be reduced national production will mean higher milk prices ? Less calves.



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    #12025
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭alps


    Talk about defeatism..

    Science is behind it's retention.

    2 factors play against it, neither scientific...both political.

    1. It forces a reduction in numbers, which goes some way to solving a climate issue.

    2. It is seen by other countries as an economic advantage to Irish farmers.

    The derogation is scientifically sound.



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    #12026
    ginger22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468451#Comment_120468451

    Not dissagreing with you but if you think derogation is going to remain you are in dreamland.



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    #12027
    roosterman71
    Registered Users Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468451#Comment_120468451

    The people pushing for it's removal are no more interested in science than the man on the moon. People pushing for this want to see numbers down. Be that number be the number of farmers, the number of cows, the number for N per ha, number of one off houses, number for gas being imported, number of cars, number for fuel sold, etc. Once the numbers go down, they happy.



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    #12028
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Even if it goes to 170 the likes of Pippa and Holly will want more if they ever get their way.



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    #12029
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,521 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I've a relation. The father milked cows then got out. Son has got back into cows.

    The son is all anti Eamon Ryan. Highly so. If he saw him I'd say he'd drown him.

    However (I'm getting somewhere) he's so anti gone his frame of mind is just to show the two fingers.

    Case of point he's put a dungheap not far from a river beside a road. He also put a cow trackway through the river.

    He's pissing me off (a lifetime established dairy farmer) by doing this.

    I'm not going to report him to the authorities. Authorities have probably seen it anyway and are licking their lips for water nitrate results.

    I'm getting to a point. Should there not be a halfway house of a counsellor or such in the IFA or such that farmers could ask to have a word with other farmers that such a thing is not in anyone's interest. Without going the whole hog of reporting to government bodies.

    Not sure if any of ye read Pat o Tooles recent article in the ifj. It's free to view anyway online.



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    #12030
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭straight


    The writing has been on the wall for a while now. Time for lads to stop burying their heads in the sand.

    This crack of dumping culls, calves, flying herds and just depending on the milk cheque is grand until everyone starts doing it.

    On/off grazing didn't go too well here today 😲



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    #12031
    ginger22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120469192#Comment_120469192

    To be honest in order to be sustainable long term, stocking rates need to be under 170 Kgs, growing grass at low cost with little fertilizer, growing some grain to supplement in winter and spring or perhaps maize and beet. With that kind of system lads can withstand the highs and lows.



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