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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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    #2942
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/pedestrianisation-could-make-south-william-street-a-madhouse-businessman-1453392

    People shoplifted from this man's business because of pedestrianisation apparently.



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    #2943
    iniscealtra
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭iniscealtra


    @Sam Russell have used Blabla car in France. You put up your journey on the app and a set amount. The passanger her books it with card. Nó cash changed hands. Set amount taken out when you rate the journey if I remember. Much cheaper than the train if. There were 4 of us in the car as passangers from the train station in Brest i think to Quimper. Myself and my OH and two other singles. Paid the petrol for the journey easily. Seems to be in the U.K. now too.

    https://www.blablacar.co.uk/



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    #2944
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451456#Comment_120451456

    Newstalk really is the GBNews of Ireland



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    #2945
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451980#Comment_120451980

    More so everyday



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    #2946
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451961#Comment_120451961

    That sounds like a bad approach as there is little to no oversight or regulation.



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    #2947
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120452723#Comment_120452723

    This is more or less the problem with all "sharing" apps which seem sensible on first look and then fall into a hole of becoming professionalised without the oversight and regulation. For now BlaBla works quite well (and its better/safer than hitchhiking), but as anything becomes more popular you get those looking to take advantage of it. And then eventually everyone realises why regulations were brought in in the first place.



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    #2948
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just saw this tweet and I thought of this thread...

    https://twitter.com/APartridgeQOTD/status/1646084647846137856




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    #2949
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Even bollards aren't going to stop some people taking over a cycle lane


    https://twitter.com/nolankucd/status/1645005751209820160


    https://road.cc/content/news/guinness-truck-driver-smashes-down-cycle-lane-wands-300491




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    #2950
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Like seriously where is the guiness truck trying to go?


    I noticed today that the cycle lane on Conningham Road, usually chocoblock with parked cars is now coned off, not to protect cyclists but to stop cars parking there for the Biden visit *Eye roll*



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    #2951
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120471262#Comment_120471262

    Delivery to the pub. No one cares.



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    #2952
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Those short poles are actually there to be driven over, so there's almost certainly a parking spot or delivery zone there.

    In saying that though, he shouldn't be driving over the big poles at all, they get wrecked very easily.

    EDIT: Ah, just read further into the article, and the pub has turned their loading bay into a outdoor drinking area, so zero sympathy there, they need to unload legally.



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    #2953
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    apart from that, as the cyclist points out in the video - solid white line means a mandatory cycle lane.



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    #2954
    noelfirl
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Someone else noted that it isn't 100% clear that the outdoor seating area was ever a formal loading bay - from Streetview it can be seen that it was previously a taxi rank and before that a left turning lane, but I guess in practice a taxi rank would have acted as a loading bay as needed.

    Regardless though - the driver went right into and over the first high vis 'flag' pole which definitely isn't there for that purpose, and as the poster of the video on Twitter pointed out, the mandatory cycle lane turns into an advisory cycle lane further down, so the driver could have pulled in there.

    It's symptomatic of a widespread problem though that's been already alluded to - commercial operators are allowed to take the piss and facilitated by the councils through putting in those flexible poles and baby Orcas that they can run over, and then the councils/local reps not giving two f*cks or complicitly turning a blind eye "BeCaUse HaRd WoRkinG DriVeRs".



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    #2955
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Have you say on the Draft Phoenix Park Parking strategy, from tomorrow. I'd include a link to the strategy here, but it's not up on the site anywhere that I can find. Maybe it'll pop up tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/phoenixparkOPW/status/1647594437390811138




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    #2956
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120485743#Comment_120485743

    The consultation survey is out and its incredibly poor, like really, really shite. I was honestly stunned when I got to the last page was like "is that it, wtf"

    The draft strategy document is actually quite good and goes into a massive amount of detail and the the survey......asks 7 questions and one of those is whether you live in Dublin.

    https://www.phoenixpark.ie/draft-parking-strategy/




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    #2957
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2023/0418/1377555-cabinet/

    ...



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    #2958
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2023/04/18/surplus-of-over-12-billion-likely-to-be-estimated-for-state/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=RSS%3AITEM%3ATITLE&utm_campaign=lunchtime_latest_digest

    that's grand so - plenty for the metro!



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    #2959
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭serfboard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120490308#Comment_120490308

    That article has been updated since you posted it to include the following:

    The Government will not introduce congestion charges, the Taoiseach has told the Dáil ... "There is no proposal from this Government to introduce congestion charges. Certainly not under this Government and not in the foreseeable future".

    Good, IMO. If you want cars off the streets, take them off the streets, and don't have a situation where some people who can afford it, are allowed to drive.



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    #2960
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120493150#Comment_120493150

    It doesn't need to be an extortionate amount to have an effect.

    Also, I don't buy the "can't afford it" line. If you have a car you're paying tax, insurance, maintenance, NCT, fuel, and parking. Not to mention depreciation.

    A car is a colossal money pit so a congestion charge is not going to break the bank.

    As for impact on traffic, road safety and air quality, if you have a congestion charge, high hourly parking rates, reduced priority and removal of on street parking then regardless, it becomes an inconvenience to drive in. You can still do it, it just becomes a hassle and the alternatives become more appealing.

    A congestion charge will not fix anything on its own, nor will any one element, but stack them up (carrots and sticks) and the modal shift follows as sure as night follows day



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    #2961
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    PT is my default when in Dublin. I've driven inside the M50 just once, as far as Dundrum Centre unplanned. My world has yet to fall apart.



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    #2962
    Oscar Madison
    Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    In one European country, Germany I think, large trucks are not allowed in the city centre. Instead they have to go to a depot outside of the city, unload & a small van brings the goods into the city. I don't see why that shouldn't work here?


    I'm all for fewer cars in the town's & cities but we need a good transport service & if that means buses & trams or even an underground then so be it! We need dedicated bus lanes with more one way systems & more traffic wardens to enforce the rules.



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    #2963
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120489434#Comment_120489434

    That was insane.

    Like, I get that it's a parking strategy, but it completely ignores the fact that the government has a Climate Action Plan that's meant to reduce car use, and instead most of the options that people get to vote on are about increase car parking spaces. If they all went ahead, there'd be over a thousand more car parking spaces in or around the park.

    Also ignores their own report, people told them that bus routes into the park would be the biggest driver of change, and yet there's zero questions about it.



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    #2964
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,889 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494077#Comment_120494077

    yeah, it's ridiculous some of the massive lorries companies are using to deliver into built up areas here. There's a Sports Direct near me and once a week an articulated juggernaut drives down the main street and blocks the whole place up as it reverses into the SD carpark. It's totally inappropriate but it suits Sports Direct to be able to send out one huge truck rather than several smaller ones.



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    #2965
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Don't see the point in congestion charging. Oslo has achieved a much greater reduction in car use by making its city centre access only. We could do the same by simply preventing cars travelling east-west on either side of O'Connell Bridge then go about making all roads in the city centre one lane per direction, remove all the turning lanes on a phased basis. Congestion charging is a complexity we don't need and won't be able to manage anyway. All attempts at camera enforcement have failed so congestion charging will be the same.



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    #2966
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1648295795228041225

    Bit stupid of DCC to tweet this in my opinion. Basically show a part of the street being tarmacked. It's going to look a lot better when finished but all this has done is fed the dublinistheworstmostdangerousbiggestkipontheplanetfullofromascum trolls with ammunition.



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    #2967
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    They do phrase it correctly in the tweet, but most of those trolls see the opportunity to flex their fingers anyways



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    #2968
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    From down under...

    https://twitter.com/BicycleNSW/status/1648211351108730880




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    #2969
    JohnnyChimpo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo


    Mad Max was a documentary



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    #2970
    McGrath5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120498511#Comment_120498511

    I look on enviously at the likes of Germany, the Netherlands and even Spain and France and the progress they have made recently with their public transport and active travel measures while we stay stuck in the 1960s car brained Anglosphere.



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    #2971
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭serfboard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120514372#Comment_120514372

    I wouldn't agree on the point about the 1960s or on the point about the Anglosphere. If we were stuck in the 1960s, we'd still have cars going down Grafton Street and Henry Street, through Galway's main thoroughfare of Shop/High/Quay Streets and in various other places in the country.

    On the point about the Anglosphere I'll draw your attention to one contradictory example from just up the road in the North. The new A6 Dungiven->Derry Dual Carriageway has just opened, which has two Bus Park N' Rides - one at Claudy and the other at the terminus at Drumahoe (Derry). Further along the Belfast road you'll find Park n Rides at the following junctions: Maghera, Castledawson, Toomebridge, Dunsilly and TemplePatrick (Ballymartin). That's seven Bus Park n Rides adjacent to the Motorway/Dual Carriageway on the Derry->Belfast road.

    How many do we have adjacent to our Motorways? It's almost as if Bus Park n' Rides are illegal in this Republic, such is the dearth of them.

    Let's not blame being part of the Anglosphere for our own lack of willingness. We're quite capable of taking the examples of best practice from non-Anglophone countries when we want to.



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