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NCT Fail Dangerous Retest

  • 13-04-2023 11:49am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,

    A question for any one who has had an NCT Fail Dangerous. How did you go about getting the retest done? As the 'car should not be driven under any circumstances', how can the garage test drive to make sure repairs are okay? Also, how did you get the engine warmed up, as is required by the NCT, as the car can't be driven to the test centre?

    Thanks in advance,

    RN



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭sumo12


    I'm not sure I understand your question. When you bring the car for the re-test it will have been fixed so therefore will not be dangerous. The garage will test drive it after repairs are done as it will no longer be dangerous. It's your responsibility to get it to the garage for repairs without driving it.

    I think you know all this, but are just objecting to the terminology for some reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998


    I simply take the Failed Dangerous sticker off the window and drive home. I then drive it to mechanics, and then drive it back to the NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    I am just wondering about the technicalities of it, and maybe some clarification. To me, the consequences of a fail dangerous are that it cannot be driven under any circumstance. I presume that this (the inability to be on the road) holds true until a retest is performed and the car (presumably) passes.

    If that is the case, then it cannot be driven by the garage to check repairs, and it cannot be driven to the NCT Center to warm up the engine and have it ready for a test. Maybe there is a clause I didn't see that says it is okay to drive after the garage has repaired it? Or maybe it is all a grey area, but just wanted to see what others in the same situation have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Arnout


    If the car has been repaired it's able to be driven on the road in a safe manner. The date on the scrap behind the windshield is in that respect irrelevant and the only problem you could face is being written up for driving around without a valid NCT. Not for driving around in an unsafe vehicle.

    Vice versa: if you drive through a pothole the day after your car passed its NCT and cause internal damage to the tyre, making it bulge, then the vehicle becomes unsafe immediately. Valid NCT or not, it's not a good idea to keep driving it like that for the next 364 days until the next NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Is there anywhere, official, that says this? The repair might not have fully fixed the issue and until it is retested you won't know for sure, and neither will the Garda if you are stopped.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,200 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    The NCT just proves the car is roadworthy within the parameters of the test at the time it was taken.

    As an example, you could go do an NCT, pass, drive around the corner, swap on 4 bald tires, cut a hole in the brake lines, remove the exhaust pipe. The vehicle is now not roadworthy even though it has a valid NCT.

    The same applies for when you repair a defective vehicle with no NCT, it may be roadworthy with no NCT.

    It's also worth noting that a car does not necessary need to be test driven to check repairs. The NCT centre does not drive the car as such to test it, it is tested on static machinery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭sjb25


    If you are so worried iv a solution np need for worry




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    In theory, yes, but then the second part of the original post - the engine is supposed to be warm and at working temperature before they test. Having it towed on the back of a truck won't get the engine warm. I suppose the next option is to sit in the car park revving the engine for 20 minutes to get it warm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Absolutely, it may be road worthy, but it won't be classed as road worthy until it is retested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Your car has been repaired, you have a receipt for the work carried out, you are driving to the NCT centre for your retest. I don’t see it being issue.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998


    Who told you that? Its not a requirement that the engine is warm. Especially if you have already passed the emissions test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,808 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    done this myself, but it really does depend what the issue is, i was driving on slicks, so got the naughty boy sticker, tester wasnt too impressed with me driving off....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    It is actually listed as a requirement for the NCT that the engine is of a normal operating temperature before the test begins.

    Point 11 on the below list:

    https://www.ncts.ie/Media/5iaecn2j/preparing-for-your-nct.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Never mind bringing it for a retest why isn’t your question how do I get it home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I got one once for the most ridiculous reason ever. The second bonnet catch, the one you have to pull a lever in the grill for, had stuck in the open position. Rather than just flick it back into place which i did before driving off, the tester told me that the guards could be called if i proceeded to drive it. Thankfully i wasn't some poor clueless customer who could have been upset and stuck at the test centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998


    Fair enough. In reality tho it’s certainly not a requirement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    It's currently sitting in the garage waiting for parts, so that part is taken care of. It can if course be towed to the NCT center but that doesn't explain how test drive after repair or having engine warm can be done

    Probably over thinking it but things are crap enough right now without having to deal with any other crap related to the car and passing NCT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,148 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You are meant to have the car taken away by a tow truck.

    Currently I don't think anyone in the test centre is going to have the time to phone the Guards if you drive off, albeit all the documentation they give you states they will. I know that they don't always, anyway:

    Got one myself last time for a tyre, it was marginal but not something even worth trying to argue. Sticker off the window and drove to the tyre place. Went home and drove it back the next day to get the cert. Sticker is VERY sticky!

    On a previous occasion in my sisters car, there were two tyres that were a bit more than marginal (I didn't check the car myself stupidly) - in this case I was just told it was a fail dangerous, but no sticker. Was during COVID though. Also drove it straight to the tyre place; and back to the centre the next day.

    I also doubt the Guards will be particularly happy if you're pulled and they check your NCT status, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,088 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nobody is going to prosecute you for driving a car to get an NCT retested after you have had the repairs done

    I was stopped by a Garda once when I had a failed NCT waiting for a retest. I showed them the NCT report, and showed them the evidence of the repair and the new NCT appointment for the retest and they were grand. Asked me to present the new report at a Garda station after the retest date.

    Gardai actually have better things to be doing than hounding people just trying to do their best to get along



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    I have not been in this situation myself, but know of two people who were and they did exactly as you suggested.

    OP you should not be returning to the NCT until the fault is corrected, therefore the sticker is no longer valid at that pint.

    Of course all depends on the exact nature of the failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    @Akrasia You would hope not, but all it takes is someone having a crappy day, or doing their job and following the law.

    @chrisd2019 I have no intention of returning without repairs, but even after repairs the sticker is still valid, or should be, until it has been rechecked and re-certified as road worthy at the time of the test. If it is a fail for something obvious like driving on slicks it is easy to check that has been resolved, but anything not visible without lifting the car (suspension, rust, steering linkage, etc) isn't easy to check and despite best intentions, mechanics don't always do a good job. (Car was with the mechanic a few days before NCT and there was no problem. Yeah, will be looking for a new mechanic after all this is sorted out).

    To summarise - the right thing to do is get it towed to the NCT for a retest and hope that the engine being cold doesn't cause a problem, or drive it and hope you don't meet a checkpoint.

    Thanks for the feedback folks.

    RN



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998


    I don’t know why your over thinking this so much, if you are so concerned about the engine being cold, it is possible to have the engine running while being on the back of a tow truck.. and its also possible to arrive 10 minutes early and warm up the engine that way

    Best of luck, I hope you don’t over think this much in other aspects of your life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    how did you get it to the garage from the NCT?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭GavPJ


    I do the same.

    Had a Megane fail one time on a "dangerous" fuel leak. I drove it down the M4 home thinking to myself

    if this goes up in flames it will stay on the M4 for someone else to take care of. :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Arnout


    Also it's usually been fine for a while (most cars with a fuel leak won't have sprung that leak all of a sudden while sitting in the NCT centre). So it's unlikely the trip home/to the garage is going to be a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    I'd only be worrying if you are using the car before the NCT appointment for 'normal' driving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Fozzie Bear


    My car (09 Focus) failed its last two NCT's and got the ould "Failed Dangerous" sticker both times. I asked the examiner what the issue was and both times he said a hole in the chassis.

    The hole in the chassis turned out to be a 2euro sized rust hole in the floor of the boot just in from the back wheel on the left and then right side of the car. They car was in no way dangerous to drive and on both occasions the examiner in a round about way inferred same to me. He basically had to put the sticker up because of the holes being technically a structural issue.

    I took down the sticker and drove it home both times, cut out and patched the holes after. The sticker is more of a cover their arse for liability reasons thing a lot of the time. If the car is really that badly fecked Im sure the examiner would say it do you that its not safe to drive home.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,200 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Yeah the sticker is just to cover themselves for when you drive away and the car breaks in half killing you that you can't sue them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭User1998


    The sticker was only introduced a couple of years ago and was forced by the EU. Its not to cover themselves. Once the test is finished the car is not their responsibility

    ”The introduction of new EU regulations, now in place, classifies fault results as minor, major or dangerous and will appear in this format on your NCT Vehicle Inspection Report.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Towed it with a strap and another vehicle or got it recovered on a recovery (tow) truck ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,148 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Recovery.

    The other option is for emergencies only - towing to the nearest safe place. You would need a BE licence in nearly all circumstances; an appropriate towing weight on the tow vehicle, and proper towing kit to go beyond that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    To me its in the NCT test centre up on the ramp and likely severe corroded brake pipe or rotted rubber flexy or a bubble about to burst or steering / suspension part or other. They then proceed to put a sticker on the window and car can only be removed with a tow truck.

    Car is brought to garage with the NCT report for quotation of repair if its repairable or not worth it. If repairs are done car can be driven back to the nct for a retest on the items failed if in before time limit expires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Well the op hasn't specified yet as far as I've seen.

    But ya I know about the legal side of towing

    I was only asking the him because if they towed it with a strap from the test center then they already technically broke the law and lived to tell the tale.

    So they can rest easy and just drive the car in for the re-test.

    Be grand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Apologies, thought the thread was done.

    Gave the keys to the mechanic and asked him to collect it. Presume it was towed correctly.



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