Russia - threadbanned users in OP

https://ukranews.com/en/news/927221-russians-losses-in-bakhmut-many-times-higher-than-ukrainians-there-are-days-when-difference-reaches

The trouble with the bravado of 'Bakhmut holds' is that the people saying it aren't those doing the dying. Two young US volunteers died there a few days ago. If the Ukrainians are killing 350 Orcs a day there, 50 Ukrainians are also dying - per day.

I'm not sure a meat-grinder, even running at 7:1, is as effective as having an extra 3,000+ experienced troops for the offensive. In a Telegram channel I saw a comment from an AFU fighter who sounded very dejected about being in Bakhmut, with a sharp criticism for management that they didn't tell them that Orc special forces had been unleashed on them, the inference being they were being more effective in killing Ukrainians and a far tougher opponent than they had been used to.

It's also not helping that the Orcs have now gotten ECM assets that are rendering commercial DJI drones inopperable as well as doing some extensive GPS signal jamming.

The Orcs altered many of the original documents in the leak, and likely fabricated ones that weren't leaked and inserted them in the overall information flow. It's the age old trick of inserting false information into a set of less important true information in the hope no one notices and accepts the false information as being true, by association.

But you knew that.

Holding Russians where they are prevents more war crimes and destruction on the next city

So why not keep hold especially when defending is less costly than for the aggressor

It seems the Russians have re-energised it forces with reinforcements hope they will end up the same way as its previous lot.

I am sceptical of the exhaustion, low morale and short of weapons touted by propaganda on Russians forces they still seem better resourced unfortunately.

Im not sure what leak you are referring to?

I'm going by the maps not by the claim of one or the other,

It's beyond obvious Russia is in control of the majority of bakhmut,

Russian forces have maid steady gains for the last few weeks,and yet people on here deny it ,

But but but, 10-1 ,10-1

Lol holding on to a figure that been brandied around for months from the same accounts ,

Funny that no .

Ukrainians are dieing in their thousands in bakhmut just like the Russians are ,as I said last week or the week before Russia has changed it's tactics in bakhmut,as a result they have made gains , which puts several towns outside side of bakhmut at risk in the next few weeks,

I’m surprised they collected that many bodies. They normally leave them behind.

Looks that way reports suggest a Russian base was hit with 12 missles, that's a pretty large strike on one location

Seems this wasn't mentioned at all yesterday Russian s300s hit an apartment complex in sloviansk (9 dead so far still searching) which is next Big city after bakhmut, looks like exactly what I said last week they are already looking past bakhmut .

Oh look someone new ,

In honesty they're free to report , there's just no likelyhood that they'll get the whole truth ,

Both sides wish to under play their failures and hype up their victories , and if you actually thought differently then that's a bit odd ..

A western journalist in Donbass is free to report ,( once nothing sensetive is included ) and there are plenty of journalistic critiques of ukraines military , plus there are the vloggers ,some more critical than others ..

But no way either sides military are going to announce actual figures or dates

The loses were 354,000 combined losses for Ukraine and Russia,

Russians KIA 35,000 - 43,000

Russian incapacitated/injured - 154,000-180,000

Ukraine KIA -15,500 -17,500

Ukraine incapacitated/injured -109,000-113,500,

Russian tanks lost- 2048

Russian APC lost- 3900

Ukrainian tanks lost -486

Ukrainian APC lost-1020 ,

One think this leak does ,it debunks the notion of 10-1 losses or even 7-1 in Ukraines favor ,