Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Was there ever any reports of those ratios outside of Bakhmut???

And Gatling, if you believe the deaths on both sides are that low then you have swallows the kool aid.

In fairness Ukraine would not be a reliable source in reporting Russian casualties as it is their job to spread damaging misinformation about Russia. Very hard to get facts about such war casualties but as the US report was supposed to be confidential it could be close to accurate, unless it was purposely leaked.

Maybe Europe/ NATO/ US is going to have to up it's game so. If the choice is between letting Russia lay waste to and seize a substantial part of a neighbouring state or driving them out inflicting a serious defeat on them, what will be above choose. This is where the prospect of escalation becomes real and even justifiable. A lot of blood has been spilt, a lot of water under the bridge, has the point of no return been passed?

So no 180k dead on both sides like you claimed earlier.

What's surprising is the US intel figures are extremely close to ORYX figures.

Russian Tank losses: 1908 (ORYX) vs 2048 (US intel)

Ukraine Tank losses: 480 (ORYX) vs 486 (US intel)

I would have though they would have more intel and not just browse ORYX for figures.

The Ukrainian KIA figure is also interesting. Back at the end of November they acknowledged 10-13K dead. (This was largely seen as an under reporting by people on here). But it's about 1.5k a month up to November (higher end of the 13k). I believe the figures from the leak are up to March 1st? Let's be lazy, that's 4 months at 1.5k a month, added to the 10-13k gives us 16-19k. Very very close to the US intel figure.

NATO figures from the first month of the war had Russian dead at 7-15k. So Russia lost an additional ~30k in 12 months. That's including the cannon fodder, conscripts and meatshields being used by Wagner.

They really are barbarians at the gates of Europe. Even if the goods are fake, the concepts behind them and the market for them are the problem; it's the thought that counts.

On this thread repeatedly

I follow several Americans from a military background that put out videos or articles every day and they were zipped up no comment until the lad was arrested and a general statement was given. No deviation they all just went dead. This tells me theres a proper propaganda war on that most of us aren't aware of.

The Russians live and die by stuffing nonsense and lies down their own populaces throat but how do they handle a gift when it might not be a gift?

Unless I'm mistaken when people talk about those high ratios they are talking about Bakhmut.

I've never once heard someone claim that the overall war has a ratio anything close to what's happening there on a localised level.

I would think there has to have been a propaganda war going on related to this conflict for some time so have always been skeptical about what figures are being talked about and what events are being discussed more than others. The regular talk that Bakhmut is about to fall seems very likely to me to be a ploy to suck more moskovyte resources into that area and lessen the attacks on other areas and even lessen their ability to react when Ukraine makes its move to reclaim its territory. The way the moskovytes are so used to dealing with lies may make the effect of disinformation less effective on them but guess there is no harm trying anyway. It will be interesting to see who has been duped by the efforts to misinform some time in the future when independent sources look at the real evidence of the course of the conflict.

@Wolf359f So no 180k dead on both sides like you claimed earlier.

"which suggests " is what I said based off dividing the figures ,

Suggested not claimed

I wonder is the leak causing a delay with the UKranian counter offensive.

I know they are conducting probing attacks and retook some small villages more North East, but i thought we'd have seen something far more substantial by now.

Possible they feel they do not have the ability to conduct this attack or know its a one shot chance so they need a perfect roll of the dice?

I believe they are still waiting on the weather and other supplies to be in place first, there's another Rammstein conference due shortly where protecting the skies and forming an IronFist is the topic for discussion, forming an IronFist was mentioned at the last conference too

In lot of areas they are still struggling with mud and boggy conditions ,. making vehicle menuvers difficult

I'd say the leak has nothing to do with it. The slow rate of supply of weapons has ruled out an early offensive. Just today the last of the Canadian leopards were offloaded in Poland and Spain promised 6 after Easter, the first 2 being sent on 9/4 with the other 4 some time after that, presumably. And in news today, Denmark is sending leopard ones 'very soon'.

And so on and so on.

Exactly.

Gatling has joined the dark side.