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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I was a lifelong Labour supporter. But after the way Gilmore, Burton & Kelly ‘performed’. I’ll never vote for them ever again.

    So, I’m intrigued as to what has happened to give You this assertion? Speaking personally, Labour are a spent force.

    EDIT: Let me include Rabbitte in that ‘esteemed’ group of self centred imposter’s masquerading as Labour Party members.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Labour's silent comeback = 0 Labour seats? If so, it can't be good for FFG as FF and FG have history wth Labour and would go into government with Labour again.

    Regards...jmcc

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    I see Chay Bowes, the “whistleblower” behind the Leo the Leak controversy is now working as a commentator/correspondent for Russia Today.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’m aware this thread is about FFG, but surely these clowns are missing a trick here? I had respect for RBB ( he has to get praise for the housing crises ) but I’ve lost respect after reading this:




  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    His brand of pure socialism has a few red lines, one of them relating to American imperialism. Would have been a suprise if they were in the Dail Thursday.

    Yes, they'd be much better just concerning themselves with local issues.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The same RBB who objects to apartments in Dublin areas well served by public transportation, that are ideal for apartment living, in order to protect the Victorian ambiance of the area?

    "Richard Boyd Barrett has filed an objection against a high rise development in Monkstown as it is "out of character" with the area's Victorian roots."

    And whats even worse is that the proposed development isn't even adjacent to any Victorian homes, its surrounded by modern estates... So its doubly ridiculous. I don't think he has to get praise for the housing crisis at all.

    Protesting against the most pro-Irish president since JFK fits in well with his general terribleness. We can only hope he loses his seat in the next election.



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    Polishing his megaphone as we speak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Fully agree with You here, especially your last paragraph. He may as well do us all a favour & eff off to Brussels & join Daly & Wallace.

    I’m pi**ed off with myself for the respect I had for him.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I have just watched Joe Biden give a speech in a pub in Dundalk. Shame on you RBB, President Biden is more Irish than You are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Just heard on VM news that FG are at their lowest in the latest opinion poll. Cannot find any data online though.

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    FG was on 15% (down 8%) in the last B&A poll. Think that the RedC is next week.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,284 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Some interesting quotes from FG TDs doing the rounds today.

    “‘The problem Leo faces is that he has actually delivered nothing as a leader – he has lost every election he has gone into. There is a point – zero wins from six elections is it? – where you have to ask the awkward questions. If we have any more polls lower than 20% there will be a tipping point.’

    One TD said many long-term backbenchers who struggled to take the final seat in their constituencies last time are becoming increasingly disillusioned with the party leadership.

    They said: ‘We are heading towards an election, maybe sooner rather than later, and we are starting to look like Eamon Gilmore’s Labour.

    ‘The simple question any leader has to pass is: “Can you win us more seats or at least ensure that we keep the seats we have? Can you do it?” The answer, after five years, is no.'”

    https://extra.ie/2023/04/16/news/irish-news/fine-gael-leo-varadkar-housing



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Good points made here. Something has been bothering me all week about LV: Where was he while Martin was showing Joe around in Co. Louth? Surely it’s the Taoiseach’s job - though to call LV a Taoiseach is stretching it under the current political climate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,326 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He introduced Joe in Ballina, presumably as rotating taoisigh they're sharing the limelight (esp as Martin is Foreign Affairs minister)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Is a heave on the cards?

    The latest Callans kicks had a hilarious skit using the premise of Successions latest episode were Peter Burke rings Simon Harris and says "The big man, he's not looking good, he's non responsive Simon, what else can i tell you he's 15% in the polls". Harris replies "Is he gone??



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Varadkar is both particularly tone deaf, and particularly right-wing/Thatcherite - he barely conceals his dislike of poor people. Neither of which goes down well with an Irish electorate thats by and large very centrist.

    FG would be doing a lot better with someone more relatable/sympathetic like Coveney, from the centrist wing of their party, in charge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,284 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Well the party membership decisively agreed with that position last time they were polled on it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Even though the B&A polls can throw up some odd results every now and then, the 15% result will worry a lot of FG TDs. If FG's support in next week's RedC poll is anywhere close (within 3% of it) then FG is in very serious trouble. B&A is face to face polling. RedC is online polling and isn't too far off the figures from Ireland Thinks/Sindo. The Irish Times seems to have gone to quarterly polling and uses Ipsos. Ipsos typically uses a larger sample size. If there's an Ipsos/IT poll that shows FG on a similar % to B&A, Varadkar will be lucky to make it to the Summer recess as leader of FG.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,284 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I agree with your analysis

    The hope will be a kind view from Red C



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Well done the Indo for this FOI request. No matter though Leo, Roderick and Norma see going against hundreds of complaints from medical professionals, parents, teachers and school principals as just an inconvenience as they continue to demolish un-modern Ireland. They're barely even paying lip service to representing us. Sher it's only your children they're caring for now isn't it?!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1647544110834675715



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If RedC is trying to redistribute the Don't Knows on the basis of the party that they voted for in the last GE then it could give a problematic view. If that 8% loss in B&A is an indication of a Water Tax scam shift of the type that wiped out Labour then past voting records may not be effective. Now that the Biden trip is out of the news cycle, the focus will be on FG and not in a good way. The problem for FG TDs, and all TDs, is that these polls are small sample national polls that only measure first preference voting intentions. Seats are decided locally and often on transfers. If FG was at 15% in a GE then it would be facing a wipeout and FF would also be affected due to the transfers between the parties disappearing. Even if it is under 20%, a lot of TDs will be considering leaving politics to spend more time with their families/property portfolios. I think that 18% may be the red line for FG. Below that and they will panic.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    When fg claimed to look after workers and then have an insane marginal tax rate that applies over a pittance of and income and we have scandalous property prices, what do they expect....



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They may panic but I cannot see them pushing for an election before 2025. Hopefully. I can see them milking the gravy train instead.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    They may remove the useless Varadkar and replace him with someone the electorate prefers. Could be Pascal Donohoe, Simon Coveney though Simon Harris might want a go. The absentee Helen McEntee might be the choice of some newspaper commentators. FG isn't exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to replacements.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    They are all weak useless spoofers named above for fg... they need a hardliners wildcard....



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    "New homes building activity falls for sixth month in a row

    Decline will be seen as a blow to Government efforts to get to grips with housing crisis."


    Not exactly how a government solves a housing crisis is it, home building activity falling every month for months on end now...

    Its hard to believe but things really are only going to get worse on the housing front over the next year or two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's exactly why they need to stay in government until 2025. Their BS plans need to be exposed for what they are. The LDA shambles, ABP backlog and lack of planning reform (or any reform!) are indicative of the lack of political will.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The election timing is apparently becoming a big debate within the government now. They've realised the housing crisis really is only only going to get worse over the next two years at least, so would it be better to let SF take over sooner rather than later so they get burdened with it? Is being out of office from 2023-2028 (or possibly shorter if its an unstable government) then back in better than being out from 2025 possibly indefinitely?

    The way things are going the opposition are only likely to get more seats the longer the election waits, too.

    Against all that is the fact that going by the polls a large number of sitting FG/FF/Grn TDs will lose their seats in any election. So they have a fair bit of self interest to delay as long as possible, even if its bad for their parties long term.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is hard to believe that things really are only going to get worse on the housing front over the next year or two because your article says the opposite.

    "However, the index is showing signs of a turnaround for builders. Companies interviewed for the survey said new orders had risen for the third month in a row. They said they had responded by hiring new workers and stepping up the purchase of building materials, BNP said."

    We are in the middle of an inflationary crisis caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and while we need more, actually keeping the index as high as it is now is quite a good performance.



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