Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

For someone looking to rent or buy a house seek medical care its certainly harder . You obviously are not one of them

. Ukranians return I admire your optimism .Expected costs for Ukranians 2.5 billion in the future .

Direct Provision costs for asylum seekers 356,554,0000 . The costs which are escalating could go twords housing and medical care for citizens andtaxpayers .

I suppose you can show me where I claimed they were?

The *entire* population is putting pressure on housing and the health service, not just refugees, all five million of us. If we were to go down this route, you could claim there are too many OAPs in the country, too many culchies in Dublin, too many sick people, too many drug addicts, too many poor people living on benefits etc etc.

As for costs, the exchequer is currently operating a surplus of several billion Euros. I'm not sure Ireland announcing to the rest of the world 'we simply cannot afford to house refugees' would wash with anyone.

And this is where the refugee argument starts straying into racism and discrimination. By even saying that refugees who live in Ireland are not part of "our own" (even though it is a fact that they are here and will remain here), you are openly encouraging discrimination against them, by suggesting they are not part of the Irish population and don't belong here.

Also, people from ethnic minorities who were born here hear these arguments from the likes of your good self and will wonder if they belong here either. Many of our charming friends on social media don't even make any distinction between refugees and local black people / Muslims etc.

305,000 applied for pps numbers only 69,000 were Irish n 2022 so its not just refugees or asylum seekers . The cycle we need more to cater for those that came is like a road to nowhere ..

The default wailing about racism is tiresome. You and others seem to think it's a means to immediately discredit or dismiss any points you don't like, but it's an extremely transparent and meaningless accusation.

I'll say it for you - they're NOT part of "our own". Genuine (mostly Ukranian) refugees are here temporarily until the situation back home is resolved, or until they regularise their status through legal means. Any other "refugee" who arrived here without documentation or illegally in the back of a container from a safe country like France etc has no right to be here and should be sent back to where they came from.

Just because they are here does NOT automatically mean that they are our long term/indefinite responsibiility - ESPECIALLY if they arrived here through dishonest or illegal methods.

As for those born here of minorities - if their parents arrived here legally and/or have regularised their status then no issue ... well, aside from McEntee and co handing out Irish Citizenship like cereal packet prizes to anyone - including those in the second group above who've "served their time" on the waiting list. But those born to illegals is no different than the "anchor baby" issue that was closed previously (but which certain corners are trying to undo of late).

I've said it before.. come here legally with skills to offer, the ability to support yourself and contribute positively - welcome!!!

Come here chancing your arm, "fleeing" a safe country in the process, or without doumentation, or commit serious crimes against your hosts, or with a sob story that really is just an attempt to bypass the normal channels for entering, living and working legally here - no sympathy! Back where you came from.

We have more than enough problems of our own, and genuine people that we can't support as it is (natives, migrants and genuine refugees alike) without accepting the chancers on top of it. You may save your "racist" accusations for someone who cares. I'm far more concerned with how we address these problems that are only getting worse so that those who genuinely DESERVE the (finite!) supports actually get them.

But anyone who is not a 'genuine refugee' will not be granted asylum in Ireland (a person must be able to establish that they left their home country because they feared for their personal safety or security or health or whatever). So where is the problem then? We are probably talking about a low number of people in the thousands who seek to claim asylum under bogus circumstances every year (perhaps 3k-4k max currently and much lower in previous years) - and they won't even be granted asylum anyway.

But anyone who is not a 'genuine refugee' will not be granted asylum in Ireland

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Riiiiiight.......

Said "proof" consisting of a declaration by said "refugee" that they are afraid for their life if they return to [insert country applicant is pretending to hail from].

Not that the declaration, nor the supposed country of origin matter - even if the claim fails, the chances of deportation are practically nil.

In Ireland, what matters is that one claims international protection - the hows and whys are merely incidental. There's a whole host of NGO's that have your back once you decide that Ireland is the place for you. A large number of those being assessed for asylum shouldn't qualify based on the fact that they are travelling from a safe third country (which nearly all applicants in Ireland do), yet here we are.

Certainly. A freedom of information request to the UK Home Office in mid March established that 60% of channel crossings in 2022 were made by genuine refugees fleeing war zones (Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia etc). The same people have been demonised by their right wing press (and readers) as 'economic migrants'.

No reason to believe that the breakdown of asylum seekers coming to Ireland would be that much different - perhaps 60% genuine refugees and 40% bogus claims. So in terms of bogus claims we're probably look at around 3k-4k (and much lower than that in the last decade).

There's not a shred of evidence that people who are not genuine refugees and not from a dangerous country are being granted asylum here. The issue of deportation of irregular migrants living in Ireland is a completely different one. Not only would this involve failed asylum seekers, but people who have overstayed their work visa, overstayed their student visa, people who entered the country without going through immigration, people who entered on a tourist visa only, people working in the black economy etc etc (not entirely dissimilar to the undocumented Irish in the US).

I find it astonishing you are using the words not a shred of evidence in a post with figures made up without a shred of evidence to back up anything you say.

You claim to have no skin in the game, yet you are here daily making up things like above, posting lies on occasions and disingenuous in a lot of posts.

Why anyone would without any skin in the game do this is a head scratcher for me.

You got figures for the exact numbers that remain here apart from Ukrainian refugees a deduction of 10 k is madewhich was his arguement ? There are those who apply living abroad to obtain wills or those born to Irish parents .These numbers would not be substantial.You could explain why its nonsense .

Define it how you like, but if any of those four countries are so dangerous that one has to flee in terror, then it is likely that one would flee parts of Ireland in terror too.

Refugee status, under your definition, should be available to people living in many parts of Dublin. While it would be wonderful in theory if everybody lived in utopia, unfortunately that is not possible, and accepting refugees from countries where the "danger" is mugging or being called a nasty name makes a mockery of the asylum system, and takes up places that could go to people fleeing real mortal danger.

I could throw the same question right back at you. Where is your evidence that the Irish Department of Justice is granting asylum to people who are not genuine refugees and who are not fleeing war zones, famine hit areas, oppressive regimes etc?

The nationalities of those being granted asylum here sound remarkably like they must be real refugees: