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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    I know what's involved and know people working the job. They had mid term just last week for example...only came back from xmas holidays 6 weeks ago like. They're barely in the job long enough to get sick of it.

    These people wouldn't survive the private sector now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Not the best leader, she doesn't talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Just watching this on plus. God, Thomas's fakeness is a hard watch. The programme needs binning or a complete meaningful overhaul



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    You know a teacher, who doesn't. The time off isn't always 'off' when you're a principal. There's a lot of admin and the amount of events activities a school is involved in is growing every year. Parents are more demanding. It's intense. Any job is stressful if the individual puts everything into their job and is a perfectionist too.

    They're off so much is kinda trite. Taking farming, there's a fella on here from Dublin who wants to buy land and farm for the peace!! Talking about how enjoyable it would be feeding cattle!! Saying you know people involved and you know what's involved in a job you never did is untrue. Lots of people know farmers, do they really know the stresses in it..



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Compared to a high pressure environment in Dublin, farming could well be less stressful and enjoyable.

    You're your own boss, you make the decisions. If you're farming full time you're not going to be under massive time pressures either.

    Farming is stressful due to the lack of money. If you have money already then farming is a nice lifestyle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    The way she announces the weight loss annoys me. Same tone every time. "that gives you a total weightloss of twenty five poUNNNNDDDSSSSS"

    She repeated "YOU ARE A VISION" aswell for 2 participants. Whatever the fcuk that means!



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    You're definitely not a farmer given what you neglect to mention as stresses! I won't go into it.

    It's all about the individual though, what stresses them, what they put into the job etc. Writing off a school principal's job as easy from the sofa at 10pm, not knowing the person involved or never haven worked at the job defies logic. That lady put everything into the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I watched it last night. All done well but the stylist managed to make them all look terrible.

    None of the ladies outfits flattered them at all! In fact the outfits made them look bigger than what they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Agree on stylist. Saw first 3 and all looked to have been given poor choices of outfit, particularly the first girl's outfit. Your man looked like he dusted off his old Bay City Roller jacket from his wardrobe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    I'm from a farm so yes, I know what's involved.

    There's people who work from 8am - 5pm and travel 1 hour + in a car commute who only have 20 days holidays a year.

    One of the "problems" this principal had was a sub teacher was sick. Easy solution, print off some work from a workbook and give it to the students and have other teachers/principal check in on them throughout the day, just like what happened when I was in school. Easy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    'There's people who work from 8am - 5pm and travel 1 hour + in a car commute who only have 20 days holidays a year.' And have fcuk all responsibility and punch in time all day. Not saying all are like this but a huge amount aren't managers. There's a difference when the book stops with you.

    It's like this. In a bacon and egg breakfast, what's the difference between the chicken and the pig? Answer: The chicken is involved, but the pig is committed.

    What type of farming, are you a son of a farmer or have you farmed full time? You don't strike me as a fella who's calving cows at 3am in an upland area in February. Has BVD or pneumonia spreading through his calves and sorting medicine at all hour, under pressure with weather to get silage or wraps done, has to handle or dose contrary continental cattle, lost Sundays with water frozen etc. You seem to think your average Dublin lad could come down and farm for relaxation. Has rising expenses for feed, fertiliser, silage making and yet the factories are taking a massive cut out of your earnings.

    I'm out of work and able to type on here as I've broken ribs and a broken tibia after a cow a Charolais cow attacked me after calving last week.

    Maybe that was done when you were in school but a lot of parents wouldn't settle for this now and would call for a Board of Management meeting to get a replacement teacher in as soon as possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Most farmers work off farm, which tells you about farming. I know about all the realities of farming.

    You can talk about calving at 3am or breaking freezing water troughs but at the end of the day, the vast majority of time there are no problems to be solved. you might be up at 3am but you'll also have days where nothing happens.

    Yeah, with farming you might not get to decide when certain jobs need to be done but farming is a lifestyle.

    This principal decided to turn the work phone off at 5pm. I'd like to see a senior engineer turn his work phone off and then have a CEO try contact him when electricity to the factory gets cut. They wouldn't last too long unlike a principal who can't get sacked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    You're very judgemental about the principal. There are a lot of head wrecking little things in her job which add up. Senior engineers aren't the be all and end all either. You've an unconscious bias it seems.

    You don't sound like you're overly familiar with full time farming to me. Every job has it's stresses. That idea of photocopying work and leaving it with primary school kids and teachers checking in on them doesn't cut the mustard these days. It's not like they are later years secondary school or college. It was clear to see that Wexford lady lived her job, put everything into it and is high functioning. Putting down someone's job like that or situation is senseless. She wouldn't be on the programme if she wasn't under pressure. Talk is cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,699 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Watched the finale of this last night having not watched the series bar one episode at the start. It feels like a very tired and battered format at this stage but RTE are flogging a dead horse. And what was up with the place where they did weigh ins, it looks like a cheap and tacky temporary studio or something. Almost like the production company know its for the chop and are saving costs to eek out the very last bit of profit from their contract.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 digzy2


    a debate about farming…on a reality tv thread…only on boards🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Obese journalist in move away from the scales shocker.

    This chancer would do away with the very core concepts of the show in order to not shame the pudding eaters.





  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    What a dope.

    The weight loss is the only thing I care about.

    Acknowledging someone who is obese is obese is not fat shaming. Seeing the before/after pictures is the best thing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,537 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I find the move away from Weight loss ridiculous- it’s a medical and scientific fact that obesity is dangerous and the root of so many medical issues- so why not face it head on? We all need reality and home truths from time to time- what you NEED to hear vs what you want to hear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Birdsong


    Agree 100% on the styling, it did nothing for them especially the school principal.

    I also felt that the school principal had no boundaries, and if she learned nothing else that's key



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    I zoned out of OT this year. It is good for the participants that the focus has moved away from loosing as much weight as possible to making health changes to their lives and I do hope they continue to work at it and become healthier and happier. It just doesn't make for interesting television.

    I noticed that they all really seemed to struggle with the 5km, they all seemed quite unfit after the 6 weeks of OT, and many of them looked like they hated it. I take it they don't go out walking regularly as part of the OT plan anymore. But what I did notice was a few of the previous years' contestants taking part and doing reasonably well at the 5km and maybe that's the new direction of the show - these ones did it last year or the year before and look better and could run the 5km no problem, they are maintaining this lifestyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Yeah I'd probably watch a show where they get 5 obese people and put them through the couch to 5K programme.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,871 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Mary Diamond dies, aged 57

    RIP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Hard to believe we're on to Season 17!! Started Jan 2008.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Little DS boy has come through a lot. And smiling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Karl Henry says he was a front row 😂 That must have been some pack..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    They have a good mix this year, all likeable and varied issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    That woman with the 2 replacement hips has aged way beyond 55, it's scary.

    When you lose mobility... movement is life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree. And less obese people. I often thought the more overweight contestants were often very vulnerable and sometimes exploited.

    A element of tonight's show irritated me though - the piece on the castlebar lady was almost exclusively located at Ashford Castle where she works. KT was breathlessly praising the place and made sure to mention the name Ashford Castle again later in the show. Felt like product placement - Free weekend stays for KT? Would have thought some coverage would have been given to where the lady actually lived.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    Was it 2 minutes in and someone was crying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Yes that's true about the very obese.

    I noticed that with KT and Ashford Castle, you'd wonder. She's Noel Kelly too isn't she. So there could be more to it.

    Apart from that KT is good with the participants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    In general though I think they've moved on from that though.

    For the last year or so it's more proactive with solving problems and less bawling.

    Though some who are at a low ebb emotionally might need a cry, no harm in that. The stigma of real men and women don't cry has been around for too long. John Kirwan wrote 'All Blacks Don't Cry' to highlight this BS attitude about 30 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,139 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The reason I hate watching it. They have gone way ott with the sob stories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    First time watching in years. It's such a cliche crying on TV programmes. And I'm far from not sensitive to people's feelings. It's just such a put on or dropped in early on the shows by the editors



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Thats right she's one of kellys I think. She has improved in fairness. Seems to be listening more and less egotistical than she was. I used to cringe at the sight of her parading herself in skimpy dresses and high heels beside the unfortunate barely clothed leaders .



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Watched late last night. A nice group of leaders, so will probably continue to watch.

    Karl Henry grates on my nerves a bit, but I like the rest of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    I'm not sure yet how I feel about this year's series. The contestants seem nice but I'm not gravitating towards anyone in particular. Concerning that 4 of the 5 have underlying health conditions. Not disrespecting any of the contestants, but some of the profiles we see year in year out - the full time working mum who is trying to juggle it all and has lost herself; the man who is pre-diabetic/heart attack waiting to happen. On the one hand it says to me that there are a lot of people out there in that same boat, however it also makes me wonder if people watching the show in years past are taking anything from the show. It harps back then to something I've brought up most years is that the show is on for 2 months, is great at motivating both the leaders and followers, but once it's over, it seems to be all forgotten about. Best of luck to this year's leaders but I'm not sure if this show has any impact on its viewers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    All a bit samey, 3 36/37 year olds and 2 56/57 year olds. An early 20 something would be good.

    Way too much focus on Ashford Castle was irrelevant to the show, they were making out that she had some sort of celebrity job there too.

    Can't stand KT, she is so smug; looks like she has had a bit of work done too.

    think half the reason its so popular is the time of year, people are done going out and just bored so nothing else to watch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Yes I thought that too - someone in their early 20s would have been good. Whether it be someone who's carried weight from childhood, or someone who embraced the student life of cheap food, drink, drugs and now wants to grow up a bit. But people in their early 20s don't watch OT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Yes totally agree. Or some late 20's/early 30's who are still living at home with their folks; People who can't really cook for themselves that easy and end up eating heated-up meals their Parents cooked earlier or eating out the whole time.

    Or a couple that are staying with one or other set of parents while saving for a deposit for a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    I actually love the crying and all of the realness 😂 I don't think I'd watch it if they weren't showing all of that stuff. But then I don't watch other reality TV so I'm not seeing it on other shows and getting sick of it.

    I'm sure they lose some viewers by focusing on the trauma etc, but I think they'd lose more if they cut all of that out.

    Something that niggles me is that they say it's 8 weeks, It's only 7 weeks long isn't it? because they start the plan on the 1st episode and then the results of the first week are seen in episode 2?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Say mixed - she probably did better than most and thats why she is back... The way she was able to channel her energy into the football I'd say helped.

    I do know of one that did well on the show but piled on the lbs after.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    There was a guy from Clondalkin on it some years ago. Twenties, and living at home. He did well on the show and seemed to do well afterwards. I randomly saw his name come up on social media, a while after, I forget where or why. No idea if he kept going, or not though.

    It would be interesting to see how people do afterwards. There was a guard in the last few years who did really well, and I think he was featured afterwards promoting the programme. He kept the weight off, and kept up with the running, if I remember correctly.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Was he the guy they gave out to for losing too much, or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    I would speculate and generalise that men fare better in the long run - They just aren't as emotional about stuff. I think if they have volunteered to go on the show they are serious about getting in shape and changing their diet. My OH wanted to lose weight and get fit a few years ago - he went to a specialised gym and changed his eating habits; emotion just didn't come into it. Have seen many of my female friends and house-share buddies on a rollercoaster with diets and fitness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think it really comes down to "why" you've gained the weight.

    Alot of guys I know put on weight after they stopped doing their exercise of choice, 5 aside etc. Either through an injury or life getting in the way. Added to the fact metabolism slowing down and weekend pints not shifting, longer hours in work then maybe late night snacking etc.

    Some of the girls I know who have put on weight has been similar story with maybe a baby or two added to the mix. Unable to shift the baby weight, hard to prioritise the time to get out and active....maybe grazing through the day on whatever food the kids are eating etc.

    These are the people any weight lose regime will help as "all" they really need is someone to reset them. Someone to advise what exercise won't trigger old injuries etc.

    If you already had an athletic core at one point in your life the weight does seem to fall off easier.

    However if the reason for gaining weight is you've always been on the heavy side....genetics or poor diet growing up it's so much harder to remove those layers of adipose tissue as it's all the body has ever known .

    Then if the reason for weight gain is food is used as a comfort ....no weightloss regime will work long-term until the reason (emotional reason) for this is addressed. New coping mechanisms for whatever triggers emotional eating need to be found. Only then will a weight loss programme work.


    That's my unqualified opinion anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think it really comes down to "why" you've gained the weight.

    Alot of guys I know put on weight after they stopped doing their exercise of choice, 5 aside etc. Either through an injury or life getting in the way. Added to the fact metabolism slowing down and weekend pints not shifting, longer hours in work then maybe late night snacking etc.

    Some of the girls I know who have put on weight has been similar story with maybe a baby or two added to the mix. Unable to shift the baby weight, hard to prioritise the time to get out and active....maybe grazing through the day on whatever food the kids are eating etc.

    These are the people any weight lose regime will help as "all" they really need is someone to reset them. Someone to advise what exercise won't trigger old injuries etc.

    If you already had an athletic core at one point in your life the weight does seem to fall off easier.

    However if the reason for gaining weight is you've always been on the heavy side....genetics or poor diet growing up it's so much harder to remove those layers of adipose tissue as it's all the body has ever known .

    Then if the reason for weight gain is food is used as a comfort ....no weightloss regime will work long-term until the reason (emotional reason) for this is addressed. New coping mechanisms for whatever triggers emotional eating need to be found. Only then will a weight loss programme work.


    That's my unqualified opinion anyway.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Oh yes. I remember feeling sorry for him because he was all delighted about the running going so well for him, and then being deflated by their feedback.



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