Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

And that the holder of the passport hasn't spend more than 90 days already in any part of the Schengen area

@CelticRambler Schengen, Schengen, Schengen, Schengen, Schengen ...

Yes, my mistake. Schengen area. I have corrected it.

It still means a check that wasn't needed before now has to be done. Or am I wrong in that?

Oh, I only picked your post as an example (because it was so concise !) but across all platforms, mainstream and otherwise, these Dover-Calais delays are repeatedly attributed to France being in the EU and Britain being out of it. That shows a widespread misunderstanding of what is actually going on, and when and where the various entry requirements apply. That suggests that even after this particular penny drops in the collective Brexited British mentality, there'll still be cases of unexpected negative consequences - remember that there are several non-EU countries in the Schengen Area ... including one notable British rock at the entrance to the Mediterranean.

Back in the pre-Vanilla days of this thread, I predicted that it would be the experience of ordinary people trying to make ordinary travel arrangements that would ram home the implications of ending Freedom of Movement. Obviously that immediacy of that effect was mitigated by the arrival of Covid, but I think we're there now. Entering the Schengen Area doesn't mean that just a single check has to be done that wasn't needed (by/for British passport holders) before: it's a whole series of tests was the passport issued within the allowed timeframe? are there 90 days validity left on it? has the holder spent time in the Schengen Area within the last 180 days? if so, are they close to their 90 day limit?* if so, can they prove their intention to leave before hitting the 90 days? do they look like someone who can afford their day-to-day expenses while in the Schengen Area? if not, can they prove that they do indeed have sufficient funds available? is there any other reason why they should be denied entry?

And that's before the new biometric and ETIAS rules come into force.

*I reckon we're going to hear stories later this year, or maybe next summer, of various people being denied entry because they forgot to get their passport stamped on exiting the Schengen Area and the system flags them up as having exceeded the 90 days.

Absolutely brilliant. Perfectly sums it up.

The government and the Brexiters still can't think up any real benefits so this is the most honest answer I have heard.

What happened to Sunak and his shredder ?