Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

Saying abortion isn't health care is next level whackadoo.

What about the mental health of the person having an abortion? Mayne they feel they cannot mentally look after a child, should the child be foisted upon them?

Or the financial health of the person having an abortion? Maybe they already have children and just plain can't afford another mouth to feed.

When I see people say abortion isn't a health issue, I know that they think some people just see abortion as another form of birth control, which it obviously isn't.

Woman goes to doctor for an abortion and gets prescribed an abortion pill.

Doctor. Prescribed. Pill.

Not healthcare? LOL

People who are pro-choice point out that abortion is healthcare because it is healthcare. It is either a medical procedure performed by medical professionals, or the result of medications prescribed by medical professionals. The reason the person getting the abortion wants it has absolutely no impact on whether it is healthcare. Trying to pretend that it isn't healthcare is contrary to fact. I have no idea why you keep pushing the talking points of the forced birth crowd if you are pro-abortion as you claim, but please stop spreading misinformation. It only gets people hurt.

In the US in particular removing access to abortion is the excuse used by the forced birth crowd to reduce the availability of all reproductive healthcare. They have been targeting Planned Parenthood in particular, even though abortion services are only a tiny percentage of the healthcare that they provide. There is a reason that the pregnancy related mortality rate in the US is the worst of any "first world" country.

"I'm all for abortion as it helps reduce the amount of people on the planet and helps reduce the amount of unwanted kids who'll almost certainly be brought up without much prospects and probably end up being a massive drain on society as people who shouldn't be having kids tend to be the ones who have more of them.Quite a misanthropic view perhaps but true nonetheless."

There's no such thing as pro-abortion activists. It's pro-choice. This was discussed ad nauseum during the referendum debate here. Now, you yourself sound like what you described as a pro-abortion activist, in which case you should support reduction of restrictions on it across the board.

So, are you a pro-abortion activist? If so, do you support unlimited access to abortion at any time?

Would you consider having a child adopted to be healthcare?

Seeing as it avoids the inevitable physical and mental consequences of raising a child

Yes there are, the child has to be delivered before it can be adopted and I imagine that the woman would have to go through counselling with a psychologist/psychiatrist aswell as part of the process of having the baby adopted.

It does though when you use the argument that abortion is healthcare.We all know the reason for it being done is convenience/lifestyle choice not health.Same reason for the adoption of a baby it's convenience/lifestyle choice not health care that is the reason behind the decision.

A vasectomy is technically health care because it involves an operation but it is not really healthcare in the true sense of the word as it doesn't cure an illness as it's being done for convenience/lifestyle choices as opposed to being necessary.

Getting breast implants or liposuction is not health care it's done for lifestyle reasons even though they involve medical procedures.

I'd argue elective procedures like the ones above are not really healthcare in the true sense of what that phrase really means as they don't directly cure illnesses they are lifestyle choices.

The whole argument of abortion being healthcare is just a lie campaigners have used to blackmail people into agreeing with it "oh how could you possibly be opposed to healthcare" and I think most people who are opposed to abortion see right through it.

speaking of emotional arguments. I thought you opposed emotional arguments

"We all know the reason for it being done is convenience/lifestyle choice not health"

No, that's a battle cry of the anti-abortion crowd. See, for example, Savita Halappanavar. She died due to abortion not being provided in a timely way. Her doctor is still working in Ireland to this day, too.

But, I think we've confirmed you're pro-abortion, so you shouldn't have any problem with whatever reasons there are behind the abortion.

Like you've campaigned against abortions as not being healthcare related but "I'm pro choice"

But ah sure not all kettles and teapots are the same shade of black right.

No, it isn't. Abortion is healthcare. The fact that it is so very important for you to try and convince people that it isn't says a lot about you.

And yes, "grass is green" is a considerably less exact statement of fact than "abortion is healthcare". The type of grass it is referring to is the mix that is generally used as lawn grass, which when watered sufficiently generally stays green. I used that particular example because it is commonly recognised. I guess I should've known to use something like "iron is an element" or "steel is an alloy of iron and carbon, potentially with a number of other impurities" with someone being this uselessly pedantic in their wrongness.

Though I suppose in a backwards way you are in fact kind of right. The kind of abortions that get performed when they are illegal often probably shouldn't be considered healthcare. At least in part because there frequently isn't a medical professional involved. And of course the most common kind of abortion also isn't actually healthcare itself, though recovery from it can require healthcare. That being the spontaneous abortion. My intro to genetics professor quoted a figure of roughly 80% of all fertilised ovum are spontaneously aborted, often before the person even knows that they are pregnant. Which is why nailing down an exact figure is somewhat problematic.

Now, that's some logo...

How does the child get here in advance of its adoption? Oh yeah, in a hospital so also healthcare. Or are you going to tell all the pregnant women and new mothers that they aren't going through something medical? Why the visits to the GP's then, the blood pressure checks, the scans etc if its not healthcare?

Pregnancy itself creates physical and mental consequences that have nothing to do with who raises the child. The fact you would dismiss something that we all know has the potential to cause major issues in such a flippant way is mind boggling to be honest.

You're damn right she should and you know what? the reasons she wants to have one are none of your damn business either.