"Green" policies are destroying this country

LOL. where did you get the idea that I was somehow upset ? I can assure you that I am not in the least bit upset. Full of the joys of Spring if anything.

The Irish Green Party have been going hell for leather attempting to block the use of LNG here. Be that from a nationally owned terminal or a privately owned terminal. Your proposed solutions have ran from us buying tanker loads of LNG and sending them to Germany to be regasified and then pumped by a circuitous route or delivered here by tankers that would have to have 600 times the capacity of the LNG tankers that brought the LNG to Germany when we have no storage capability with the Irish Green Party also determined that we will not build any, too now your latest.

That being for some individual to buy LNG, lease tankers, ship this LNG to the U.K., have only what is immediately required here regasified, pumped all over the place and then sold to whoever and none of this requiring any financial contribution from said individual.

There has been no "going off in all sorts of directions" with the simple question I have been asking which you keep attempting to avoid answering. For any of these solutions of yours to make any logical sense, then to overcome the bottle-neck that the Irish Green Party are attempting to create on LNG, how are they going to be more acceptable of any of this than a private LNG company doing the same here as private LNG terminals in Germany or the U.K. ?

Whatever you wish to call it, that individual buying LNG, leasng a tanker and going through the whole rigmarole of sending it to the U.K. to a private terminal etc. is not going to do it without considerable capital outlay on which they will require a profitable return from. I would be very doubtful that by going through all that the price to the consummer would be any cheaper than a private LNG terminal regasifying it here

When it comes to long term contracts, the E.U./U.S.agreement has that covered where we would be able to avail of the bulk price and like Covid vaccines, if we did not wish to take up our allocation at any stage, there would be no shortage of others willing to step in and take it.

But then again, none of that negates why you believe the solution to the Paisley like "no no never" of the Irish Green Party would change just because LNG is reconstituted to its gaseous form by a privately own LNG terminal in another jurisdiction as opposed to one here ?

Where is the capital investment here?

You are ‘very doubtful’. Is that really all you have to say?

Do you not think that a scenario where a massive piece of infrastructure is required is going to work out more expensive for gas consumers? than an arrangement that delivers the same benefit by fully utilizing existing infrastructure with spare capacity?

There will be no requirement that EU gas purchases attributable to Ireland (around one percent of the total) would have to be shipped into the island if Ireland. In practice they could be much more easily delivered to GB or Germany and sold into that local market, with a back-to back purchase being made in GB and delivered onwards via the three interconnectors.

The E.U/U.S. agreement on LNG is basically the same agreement that the E.U. negotiated on behalf of its member States at a bulk rate price for Covid vaccines. Where you got this idea that the E.U. would have no problem with us telling them to drop off our alocation in the U.K., no longer an E.U. State, where we could then sell it into the local market if we wished, I have no idea. Or indeed why they would have no problem with the same for Germany.To quote your good self "That is not how the E.U. or the Single Market operates". Especially where we have a tail of the dog government party here preventing not just a nationally owned LNG terminal, but also a privately funded LNG terminal.

Telling the E.U. that delivering LNG coming from the U.S. "could be much more easily delivered to GB or Germany" I imagine would also be a bit of a head scratcher for them.

You have been talking about private LNG terminals in the U.K. and Germany regasifying LNG and then pumping it around the houses to reach here. Private LNG terminals require no State capital expenditure. Of course there will be a charge passed on to the consummer for the work they carry out. but how much cheaper is it going to be using a LNG terminal in the U.K. or Germany with all the related rigmarole attatched rather than a terminal here? I certainly cannot see any reason to expect it would be.

Of course to use that beloved phrase of Irish Greens, economy of scale would play a part with that cost, but you may have missed that Eirgrid has awarded Shannon LNG a contract to operate two power plants on the same site as their proposed LNG terminal. (Irish Times April 5 2023) A deal worth close to 50 million annually. That along with the present 30% of our requirements being supplied by Corrib, with that percentage due to drop to insignifigance over the next three to four years, would play a major part on the economy of scale cost of regasification.

Still no explaination as to how these proposals of yours would make a blind bit of dfference to the stone in the shoe oroblem of the Irish Green Party and LNG being regasified somewhere else by a LNG plant being somehow different and acceptable to them than the same being done in a LNG plant here.

Why do we need a terminal if as you claim there is going to be plentiful LNG on the European grid as a result of this deal you are talking about?

Where's all this cheap renewable electricity we keep hearing about from the Green's?

Is that not the core of WTO/IMF global trade policy's?

Produce only for export. Become totally dependent on others by importing everything you consume.

To stand on our own two feet and achieve energy security, first scrap the suicidal ban on new oil/ exploration and extraction. We have massive proven gas (and oil) reserves. Which would provide security of supply during transition to renewables over the next generation or two. But be hard to entice back those companies who have thrown up their licences as we've destroyed all credibility with the energy major's, So what the greens say, unfortunately the numpties don't seem to realised these bad oil/gas (energy) companies are also the biggest players in the renewable energy business as we've seen with Equinor pulling out of offshore wind in Ireland last year.

Ryan having our strategic gas storage reserve ripped out last year shows the greens care nothing about energy security. All they had to do was leave it in place.

Best of luck to them, but were we not up to 42% in 2020, and then it dropped to 36% in 2021 and down again in 2022 to 34% even with additional capacity ?

It just goes to show how intermittent and undependable renewables are as an energy source.

Greens are the ultimate NIMBYS.

Using slave labour to strip mine cobalt, lithium, and rare earth metals is perfectly fine as long as they remove people here burning peat or driving to the city.

How exactly do we get gas from Germany to here? This sounds like fantastical thinking.

We didn't use Russian gas.

Our gas mainly comes from Norway and the UK

We're dependent on a 3rd country for our supply and the only way to get gas into the country is via said 3rd country. It's not a secure position to be in is it?

Hard to see, but not impossible. If there's a shortage this winter the UK aren't going to keep pumping to here unless they have satisfied their own needs. And that is 100% understandable wouldn't you agree. We therefore cannot get any gas. Thankfully during winter our wind generation is usually OK, but not enough to power the country. We'd have no peat extracted and ready to power up existing stations. We'd be in blackout territory. Security of supply is the issue, not economics. If the country is down power this winter people aren't going to be telling the government they're great lads for not paying over the odds!

We need renewables. No one here is doubting that. We need a combo of wind, solar and battery backup too. But we also need backup of fossil fuels and will do for many many years to come. We're running down Corrib and our only gas will be controlled by a 3rd party. We'll be in a precarious position for some time. Maybe importing coal instead of gas to use as a backup might work. What do you think? Be cheaper anyway than building an LNG terminal and a lot of the power plants are ready for it.

AD is being touted too but we're decades away from that being any use (it has it's own negative problems in regards to the environment).

The E.U./U.S. LNG ?

Not without the authorisation of the E.U. we couldn`t for all the reasons I have already given you. And even then would the Germans be even interested in such a proposal. Even if they were, how do you propose to get the Green Party to accept gas coming from Germany which would be exactly the same gas they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent being provided by a LNG terminal here ?

As I said, for us to put such a prpsal to the E.U., with them even taking a cursory look at the operational LNG terminals and those under construction in Europe, especially in little Albania, the reply I can envisage would be a diplomatic worded "Will ye ever cop yourselves on"

There is plenty more to add. Like most of solar panels, rare earth minerals and wind turbines parts like blades are produced in China using coal. But they are concerned with peat briquettes and cows.

I wonder how far this insanity will be allowed or tolerated we are turning out to be laughing stock for the rest of the planet quite fast.

Imagine this....