Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

No problem with that but they shouldn’t be able to keep their jobs open for them in Ireland.

Most post primary school teachers git teaching after getting an average arts degree which they got with leaving cert points in the 350-400 points marks. Most are only a semi specialist in 1-2 subjects.

They then do a masters in education. It's only lately that primary teachers are required to have higher level maths. Previously a C in pass maths was acceptable.

Last comment as don’t want to derail the thread

The shortage would be greatly alleviated if they got rid of the five year career break. Adds to the difficulty of getting a permanent post which puts people off teaching as a career. Was the reason I didn’t pursue teaching myself.

The Teachers’ Council drags its feet for years on ‘non standard’ applications. They make it almost impossible for experienced applicants from overseas to register. It’s also next to impossible for experienced scientists and accountants to register to teach STEM subjects and accountancy as they haven’t got the Mickey Mouse teaching qualification.

The shortage could easily be addressed without increasing pay if the will was there.

A lot take the career break to leave their permanent school in Dublin, go down the country and start subbing in other schools to get their name around for fixed terms and then maybe panel rights prior to resigning their position in the Dublin school.

Why do they do this - they cannot afford to live or rare a family in the greater Dublin area.

A lot less like living in Dublin now than used to. Thats for sure.

I'd safely say 90% of people in the situation I gave it was a fiancial decision to leave Dublin, comming from someone who works in the private sector and used live in Dublin for years, I really liked it and would have seen myself living there full time easily if it was not for the cost of living in the greater Dublin area and the traffic on the main commuter belt roads.

90%? BS, unless they are from Dublin, and even then, you can’t assume the reason is financial only. Some young professionals just fancy getting out of Dublin.

Not every 20-something thinks only about the price of the house they are going to buy. Some don’t want to live in Dublin (I know, that is hard to believe), some want to go live in other countries where the sun shines, they get paid well, and they don’t have to listen to people constantly moaning about how awful it is to live here.

Dublin was always like that people moved up there in there early mud twenties and after 4-5 years decided I have enough of this.

At present people forget that there was very little travelling during COVID. Because of that there is people who would have travelled for the past 3-4 years now deciding to travel. One thing I notice is that many have got 6-12 month career breaks from multi-nationals especially to entice them back.

On career breaks there are an advantage and disadvantage. My son went away nearly six years ago now. He had a permanent position. He was gone four years. If he had not got a career break I doubt if he would have come back

Probably the length of five years is too much. 30-36 months might be more appropriate.

Take a job that their qualification allows them to work in as they get experience they can apply for other roles and yeah let them face the penalty as apposed to the tax payer, they get the education they should pay for it.

There's a huge difference between a what a 20-something thinks about and what the 28-35 age group thinks about.

Most in the age group I stated still based in Ireland would have housing costs as their number one priority.

good news at last

ECB to stop hiking in July 'but only after three monthly increases in a row'

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41118607.html

That is a subjective viewpoint in relation to Dublin. People from there think it is all things to everyone, people not from there may think it is somewhere to work for a while, then move on.

I really don’t get why people think college fees should be repaid if the student leaves, it’s just nonsense unless jobs are guaranteed at the end of your studies, or you force all graduates to take whatever jobs are available, wherever they are available. Employers, including the PS would base wage offers on the fact that if the graduate refuses the job, they would have no option but to emigrate and pay back their fees.

It would also rightly be argued, why should some graduates be forced to repay fees and others not?

In relation to Dublin weighting, you know well that employees in Cork, Galway, Limerick etc will argue that it is just as difficult to live in those cities as it is in a Dublin, so why should Dublin employees get more? I’m not saying they deserve it, but that is what will happen.

Dublin being more vibrant and having more events, nightlife, entertainment, restaurant options than anywhere else in the country isnt subjective, Its a fact.

Where I agree is that Dublin is not for everyone and some people prefer quieter places, which is all good.

Horses for courses and all.

I think you are right that Limerick, Cork and Galway would complain if we introduced Dublin weighting, but so too did Manchester, Leeds and Bristol when London got it :)

Dublin is still considerably more expensive than any other irish city to rent and property prices are much higher.

As of Q1 2023, Cork, Limerick and Galway counties all have average house prices under 300k.

South County Dublin is over 600k.

More than twice as expensive!

There is no comparison in the cost between Dublin, especially south east Dublin, and the rest of the country.

I think its fair enough that people working in these areas get some additional support to provide public services.

We should also remember that a lot of property tax is diverted from Dublin to fund the rural counties and so you can well argue thar Dubliners arent getting the services they pay for. Dublin weighting would go a little way to addressing this.