Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

Neither should be prioritized IMO the gov should build a sh1t load of these modular houses around the country and put all of our welfare renters and Refugees in them and the properties they are in should be put on to the market which would seriously increase supply in a very short time frame if the political will was there to do it. The public service workers are already paid a 20% premium you can look this up on the CSO website, they should be getting no more on that ground and public sector workers outside the big cities should see a pay decrease and with the savings all workers get a reduction in paying income tax that is fair for all tax payers not just the ones you cherry pick.

So a public sector teacher gets 20% more than a private teacher?

If thats not your comparison then it isnt like for like and is irrelevant.

The public sector workers outside of Dublin should all get a pay cut, but they should also get an income tax decrease?

And everyone else in the land also gets an income tax decrease?

How does that balance the govts books?

Its a better suggestion than paying PS workers more who work in big cities - more money more inflation and more spending power to push prices in big cities up even further, thanks but no thanks

Some really crazy and bizarre posts...

One poster saying there's no such thing as an essential worker.

ie. A firefighter/paramedic/nurse/doctor/minister/taoiseach adds the same value to society as a teenager who pulls pints on Saturdays.

Another poster saying that it is acceptable for a landlord to move towards a tenant with a running circular saw as he was at the end of his tether. Presumably the same poster believes its ok for a husband to beat his wife if he's at the end of his tether. (It's not, in either case, by the way. One is illegal and the other is illegal.)

I didn't read anyone writing that it was 'OK' or 'acceptable' to attack anyone with a circular saw. Noting that someone is at the end of their tether is not the same as saying anything anyone does when at the end of their tether is OK. Might be a bit too nuanced for some but patently obvious to most.

And what about low paid workers in the private sector? A lot of these were classified as key workers during Covid. How do you define key worker? Nearly every job is needed to keep the economy going and could be classified as a key worker.

As for ‘tis only fair’ I don’t buy it…you are saying houses are prioritised to what you classify as a key worker over everyone else. If priority is given and more housing built for key workers it’s at an expense to someone else…it could be a home that a hardworking FTB could have bought.

A key worker is someone in the public sector providing essential services within the Health, Education or Infrastructure segments.

Teachers, Nurses, Transport Workers etc.

It isnt my definition, key worker is an established term.

There are a limited amount of homes and yes, some of those homes need to be prioritised for key workers, even if its at the expense of someone else.

Otherwise, only the highest earners gobble up all the houses.

I particularly disagree with the constant allocation of social housing to people earning no or low incomes. The govt should priortise key workers providing essential services, regardless of their salaries.

That doesnt mean we forget about everyone else, we should of course try to accommodate everyone. But in a world of limited stock and high demand, we have to prioritise someone, so whom would you choose, out of interest?

I could survive a long, long time without the services of the Departments of Health and Education.

The people who ensure there's a ready supply of food in my nearest Tesco are substantially more 'key' to my ongoing existence.

'Key worker' is a nonsense term.

Not according to your earlier post…would also assume based on your previous post that as there low paid and in the private sector the government should stop helping them with housing.

More welfare for struggling builders

When you consider that the subsidy is linked to the provision of low cost rental housing, that the developers would not build at present due to cost, and that the cost of the State building the homes would be substantially more than 150k per unit, and probably take a decade, then I’m not sure why your first thought is, welfare for struggling builders. Would you prefer they sit on the sites until costs drop and they can sell for more profit to institutional investors?

Seems that some British people are moving here, because property is less expensive and better value.

https://archive.ph/ZeP0a

Will you give over (Mods please you have asked me not to comment on public sector workers, yet this poster has posted on this topic numerous times with out warning? Please will you tell this poster that this thread is not about this topic as they keep bringing it up and baiting.) Your post is applicable to every worker. If as a worker you have no reasonable expectation to own or confidently rent long term at a price that is affordable in this country your not going to hang around regardless of what job you do. So in your narrative if we do prioritize teachers and nurses for housing further impugning every other worker in order to do so, do you think they are going to hang around in Ireland? No they wont and who will be left to pay their wage and pensions long term when the our younger workers who are currently working here the likes of the shop/coffee shop/retail worker and basically all of the other SME workers feck off to Oz for a better life or at the very least in a warmer and in a country where they can rent or buy a house??

Already our pensions age is up at 68 as 65 is deemed as being no longer affordable. Already kites bring flown about upping PRSI as well. So if this cohort of young people cant get housed they will leave or they will have less or no kids meaning the pool of future tax payers paying into the system will be decimated, the kids who will be their will be from the likes of Angie above and if ever the term "monkey see monkey do" analogy can be used its for this situation, studies show that if a kid is brought up with the expectation of a welfare handout they are most likely to follow suit into adulthood.

My partner & I have been at 2 viewings this week in Cork city. We were the only ones at either viewing.

In contrast we were at a viewing 2 months ago and there were 5-7 other people.

In both cases no offers on either property have been placed per the respective estate agents.

Could be purely coincidental though.

I find the doctor's story implausible. Where did you find evidence that "the landlord appears to admit to changing accounts"?

I can find no information provided by the landlord. As far as I can see all we have is the doctor's version of events.