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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So his plan is just end homelessness by building tent cities uhm

    and where do all the doctors and psychologists come from? Post pandemic there are no doctors and psychologists to spare if they aren’t burnt out or early retired they’re booked already.

    All the hallmarks of campaign bullshit. Not anything to be taken as a serious or effective policy matter. Before you even get into the legal challenges of forcing relocation on the homeless to glorified internment camps.

    how does this bullshit policy proposal affect you



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I think that Europe is subject to the risk of any US president, present or future, dem or rep, deciding to be more isolationist.

    As evidenced above. An unreliable situation.

    And that to hedge this risk we need more strategic autonomy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,593 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Except that we know that Biden is actively supporting Ukraine and Trump is openly talking about pulling aid from it.

    Yes, the future is of course unknown, but you have the evidence in front of you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You said to forget you and just consider the post.

    How does this proposed homeless policy affect Europe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    At approx 01:15 a potential future u.s. pres (*Donald Trump*) with a history of appealing to the isolationist 'america first vote' hints at redirecting funds spent in Ukraine to domesic issues.

    Which may lead one to conclude that the u.s. could very well become more isolationist in the *future*.

    This has implications for Europes policies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That’s a very tenuous and nebulous linkage to homelessness though. Happy to acknowledge Trump is an america first windbag but he will find any excuse not to help Europe/help Russia etc. no matter what the fiscal reality. It’s really not as if a bill to address homelessness would be tied to provisions to defund the Ukraine war. Even when Ukraine was happily funded and congress was sending them weapons, again, Trump ordered a freeze on the weapon deliveries then immediately got on a call with Zelensky to strong arm him into capitulating to helping Trump out with some election interference against Biden if he wanted the missiles in so many words. Not a jot to do with canceling those missiles to tent the homeless.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The point is valid to a degree , but Trump has throughout his entire life, been all talk and no action.

    He failed to pass a single piece of legislation from his "agenda" during his 4 years in office outside of giving the ultra wealthy a tax cut.

    He is incapable of building consensus or making compromise to get anything done , he's also supremely lazy and has zero interest in the actual work of government.

    Were he to be elected , his entire tenure would be consumed by petty grievances and revenge.

    He will be far too busy firing people and engineering "investigations" into all and sundry to bother himself with anything so mundane as actual policy.

    Where he will do damage globally will be in his rhetoric and support for genocidal despots and his general lack of anything approaching a coherent set of ideas about what he's trying to do.

    He'll bounce along from idea to idea based on who was most recently nice to him or based on who will make him most money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    His lies alone about a "stolen election" should be enough to abandon all "neutrality". The fat lump of shit has openly and continually spread an egregious lie, and he knows it to be a lie. A lie which led to Jan 6th and people being killed. A lie which he still peddles today and one which will form the basis of his next presidency bid.

    One cannot be "neutral" about that.

    But, let's be honest here. Anyone saying they are "neutral" about Trump is probably just spoofing at this stage. Being neutral about such a character is impossible because of the actions of said character. More than likely, a person saying they're "neutral" is just afraid to say that they are in "favour". Because if they say they're in favour, they'll have to answer a lot of questions about the state of their own character.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    There you go then, one of the front running candidates for the whitehouse "will do anything not to help Europe".

    As again evidenced, by the link I provided.

    Thus we cant reasonably rely so much on the u.s. as an ally.

    And so must become more strategically autonomous.

    Easy.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair it would be more accurate to say that Trump will do nothing to help anyone but himself.

    Europe doesn't come in to it , just as most Americans don't either.

    Every single thing he does is about making him feel better about himself or making him money.

    He might very well stop or limit funding for Ukraine were he to take office , but it absolutely won't be because he has diverted it to help the homeless.

    It will be because Putin has called him "strong" or because the money will be used to fund tax cuts or grants to businesses that benefit Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Wow - what a reaction to a gif.

    You know, you could respond in a rational and calm way.

    As has been pointed out by others, trump is truly marmite. You don't know much about him? Absolutely fair enough.

    There are a significant amount of posters who start with "well, I'm no fan of trump but...." And then go on to prove they clearly are within the next three posts.

    Anyway, the facts about the guy are plain and accessible. He was twice impeached, he is racist, he hates the poor. He is an isolationist, he cow-tows to Russia, he rubbished the U.N. etc etc etc

    So, that is important in the context of what he says.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Chair (seen in clip, risibly pissed at being schooled on the rules) is reportedly still fuming at Marjorie Taylor Greene following this utterly derailing and embarrassing display during one of their own hearings. Reportedly the chair would prefer McCarthy boot her off his cmte if he cannot guarantee his chihuahua can compose herself.

    “The outburst took up considerable time during the hearing and threatened to overshadow Mayorkas’s testimony – to the frustration of Republican committee members.

    A source close to Green said the chairman was furious with the congresswoman’s behavior and planned to privately reprimand her, and also said he would encourage Speaker Kevin McCarthy to remove her from the committee if she ever had an outburst like that again.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Well trump was an 'america first' president with isolationist policies in his first term, you can see the effects on europe then, if he is to use them again should he get into office, how can europe counter that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You say you "don't care", but you're on a thread about Trump and also trying to promote a video you found in a positive way. However, in the space of a few pages, you've been given reasons to care by other posters.

    I don't care about baking, which is why you won't find me on threads about baking.

    Trump may spout a lot of shit about the homeless and isolationism, etc. But his past has proven that what he says doesn't translate into action. You may not know it, as you've said you're ignorant of such matters, but he tried to position himself as the man of the poor before in his previous Presidential bid. And did fuck all for poor people when he got in.

    With that in mind, do you REALLY think he's going to do anything, anything at all, for the homeless in America if he gets in again.

    As for his isolationist drivel, America has its hands in too many pies to ever be truly isolationist. That type of guff is said to appeal to redneck idiots who have no idea just how far flung America's influence on the world truly is. America first fantasists have no idea just how difficult it would be for America to pull out of every nation it has its paws in. And into the bargain, America Inc doesn't want to to do that and that includes Donald Trump.

    You may have been self admittedly ignorant about the guy before, but how's that "neutrality" going now after hearing people here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Nope. It doesnt matter whos in the whitehouse.

    The risk of an isolationist u.s. pres still exists regardless.

    If Merkel herself was somehow voted into the white house it wouldnt matter. The electorate of the u.s. has the potential to elect an isolationist president (and this is a realistic prospect as evidenced again by an isolationist candiate making isolationist hints pre election).

    Therefore more autonomy is Europes best option.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    By focusing on autonomy. By developing an alternative 'nato without the u.s.' defense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There is no NATO without the US. They are the strongest member of the organisation and were instrumental in setting it up in 1949.

    NATO without the US isn't NATO and without them would be extremely weak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Havent budged an inch, zero fuks about him either way.

    Its a shame you cant see outside your obsession. Theres life outside your two-teams nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I disagree.

    Well over 1 million active military personnel in the EU. And over 3 million reserves. A combined defense budget forecast to reach over 300bn.

    EU beats Russia (its only real threat) on practically all stats. (Especially now). Whats lacking is a well integrated command. Nato has proven that this can be achieved. So EU is developing its own backup mechanism to act like nato. (European defense agency, csdp, pesco).

    And as we see, its needed. We need more of it. Because US can easily go America first.

    Macron is right, strategic autonomy is a must.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I'm sorry , but that's utter nonsense.

    Yes , the US could indeed elect an isolationist President which in the current cycle would be Trump if they were to so choose.

    Frankly I have no idea where Angela Merkel comes into the discussion to be honest..

    If they choose to reelect Biden or an alternative Democrat should the candidate not be Biden then the US won't have an isolationist in the White house.

    Given the US electoral system is is a binary choice , there isn't another outcome.

    Since the rise of the "MAGA" variant of the GOP the risk of an isolationist POTUS has definitely increased, so your underlying point about Europe and the rest of the world not taking US support for granted is reasonable to a certain extent.

    However, practical reality means that the world has to care about the possible election of an incompetent isolationist in the US no matter how well we all might prepare for the scenario, so your faux blasé attitude really doesn't hold water I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You can "disagree" all you want. But the fact is that the US is the strongest member of NATO and without them the organisation is weakened significantly. They supply more personnel than the next six countries involved and provide more airpower than all other 29 NATO countries combined.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Couldnt Biden just turn around and go isolationist?

    The risk exists in either case. And if not during one administration then why not the next.

    I know what does hold water .. some of the craniums in here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Couldnt Biden just turn around and go isolationist?

    you think after 70+ years he is going to do a turnabout on policy? Biden is an anti-isolationist as they come.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sure.. And Up could be Down and Black could be White.

    But, back here in the real world - No, the ONLY party that have ever espoused anything even remotely close to a set of isolationist policies are the MAGA version of the GOP and that is based largely on the fact that Donald Trump is incredibly stupid and views the entire world as a zero-sum game and thinks that for him to be a winner ,someone else has to be a loser.

    That infantile view of the world is why he doesn't understand concepts like Trade deficits or Mutual assistance efforts etc.

    As I said, I don't disagree with your view that greater autonomy for Europe or at least lesser reliance on the US is a good thing , but the idea that we should all simply not care about who is in office in the US because "sure they could change their mind anytime" is just not grounded in any kind of pragmatic realism.

    It is a very isolationist view point in itself to be honest - "We can't trust anyone , so let's not bother engaging and do it all ourselves"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Trump is getting slapped left right and centre at the moment.

    His lawyers asked that the Jury just be instructed not to read into him possibly not being present for the E Jean carroll defamation case and E Jean Carroll slapped a wonderful response.

    "Mr. Trump’s position is especially difficult to credit in light of his own recent activity. Over the past few weeks, Mr. Trump attended the Ultimate Fighting Championship 287 event,1 spoke at the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting,2 and appeared for a deposition in the New York Attorney General’s civil case against Mr. Trump, his adult children, and the Trump Organization.3 On Monday, he announced that he has scheduled a New Hampshire campaign event for next Thursday, April 27—in other words, in the middle of the trial in this case. 4 If Mr. Trump can find a way to attend wrestling championships, political conventions, civil depositions, and campaign functions, then surely he could surmount the logistics of attending his own federal trial. "




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭Tippex


    And as for Mike Lindell, he's just been ordered to pay up the $5m bounty he offered to "prove Mike Wrong" an Arbitration Panel agreed with a computer forensics expert that "not only did not prove voter fraud, it had no connection to the 2020 election. He was the only expert who submitted a claim, arbitration records show."

    Lindell really is a massive **** show.

    Full article https://archive.ph/KQHLk



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Lindell really is an object lesson in the dangers of blind loyalty and obsession.

    He is a man with a history of obsessive and self-destructive behaviour and having done so very well to pull himself out of some pretty dark places and become a successful business man he has now ruined everything and is likely to be made bankrupt by his unfailing loyalty to Trump.

    It's quite sad really how pathetic he is.



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