No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

I’d have to say there is line drawn for me between 21 century gangland drug dealing and murder, and the rising that happened last century. I couldn’t compare them at all.

SF are the trump of Irish politics. He said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and they would still vote for him.

Same for SF, beat someone to death in a shed, break absolutely every bone in his body but tell someone you know the secret to making them rich and they will vote for you out of greed and stupidity.

They were talking about the curlew on morning Ireland this morning. I’m not sure if it was Aine Lawlor or Rachel English asked the question “is it because of drainage of farmland that the curlew has all but disappeared?”

I’m pretty certain until all this rubbish talk of rewetting lately, she wouldn’t have asked such a stupid question. Just goes to show there’s a big difference between intelligence and education.

You could be right but there’s a saying, “a week is a long time in politics”

Remember how Martin McGuinness was ambushed before the presidential election. SF have so many skeletons in the closet, I can’t see how they are going to be able to keep all under wraps.

Its the truth... bringing in an untested party based on a protest vote is obscenely dangerous for us all, you can be sure as property and land owners it will be worse for us, money for the "cant work, won't work" brigade will have to be taken from someone..!

Ohhh, diddnt see that coming... Its stuff like this that needs to be take into account

@Base price cant see the Greens in any coalition after the next election as there wouldn't any elected, there will also be no PBP TDs and and I would say Labour TDs will be few on the ground too. Support from all three of these will go to Sinn Fein. Independents will see a big increase in numbers after the next election. Then it will depend on how much FF & FG loose to Sinn Fein to see how the next government is made up. I would guess Sinn Fein with FF & support from Aontu (they will have 4 -5 seats next election) or a few Independents. It will be interesting to see how it goes, I would guess it will take longer to form the next government than it did to form the last one..

Well there's one of Gerry Hutch's insiders in An Garda Siochana exposed.

They never even tried to hide it. They must have their money and retirement made. Some country.

Which Party hasn't?? FFg have plenty as exposed by the journalists I mentioned earlier in terms of dodgy dealings in the planning process etc.. Interesting how many here want FFG to retain power indefinitely. Suggests any "Farmers" party will just row in with the status quo which doesn't seem a very popular approach with the rest of the electorate atm....

Would think they should never be in government under mary, a tough listen in opposition, wouldn't want to imagine in a taoiseach or tanaiste role. Oul populist

Sinn Fein campaigned for & celebrated the release of Gerry McCabes killers.

However a hetoric seems to exist that its Dan Breen they are justifying

That's not the guards

Dont vote for SF because they’ll be worse than FF/FG, sweet Jesus. Is it any wonder FF/FG can lord it over the electorate, they know then can piss on the backs of people and tell them it’s raining and it’ll be believed. Youve two Taoiseachs who were elected on the 5th and 6th count and they know full well if they read this thread their seats are safe forever. I’ve always voted but from now on it’ll be one vote to anybody not associated with FF/FG, SF, Labour, SD or the greens. Proportional representation voting is off my agenda. One vote and no more 2,3 4 or 5 along with it.

Roll it back there horse. Get up to speed both Taoiseachs I mentioned are Martin and varadkar. Read my post again it’s the PR that’s gets these snake oil salesmen re-elected every time. When they have such well educated voters like yourself they’ll never see a poor day. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. Anytime a politician is challenged about any fcuk up they blame anyone buts themselves or the party. No accountability at all and I’ll still get voted back in. Do you want a Fg/FF led government from now until doomsday ? Things will never change unless you vote a bit differently, PR gets these cretins elected I’m merely saying I’m giving a no 1 on the ballot and nothing else.

We a need to have no fear of Sinn Fein getting power as it it has proven in more recent decades to be the way to call the bluff of populist parties who are marvellous in opposition shouting about all the wrongs but after a term are wiped out in subsequent elections. It will be turbulence rather than Armageddon.

The point that the foundation of FF had some similarities, but the main difference is they without the scumminess.

Yes They were engaged in relentless criminality against the state, in parts of the country relentless terrorism against “Anglo irish” (who had in the main voted for independence but because this meant partition they got the brunt and blame of the situation)

When the guns were put away they took power for the majority of the first decades until they died of old age (but nepotism ensued of course) and they did make a hash of it. Looking for brownies off the Vatican and biting off our nose to sore our face in terms of logical economic engagement with our former colonists which ensued mass immigration and a fcked up regressed society that only began to be shaked off in our time.

Sinn Fein won’t have the seats for too long.