Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

He doesn't want to apply in Pakistan because they are third world and his standard of living would be low. He doesn't want to apply in one of the wealthy gulf states because they don't offer this service.

He chose Ireland because of the reasons you alluded to.

I believe it was Katie Hopkins who asked the question "if Islam is so great why are most of the refugees choosing former Christian (now increasingly atheist of course) countries to move to?"

It's a valid question.

You’ve wheeled out that ‘anti immigration guys’ trope repeatedly throughout this thread. It’s now time for you to define the cohort to whom you’re referring.

Precisely, who are these ‘guys’? The small number of fringe right wing parties? The protesters, who articulated their concerns about large numbers of IPAs being dropped into their communities, under the cloak of darkness? The guys down the pub who complain about the visible demographic changes in their neighbourhood? Or perhaps your definition is broader? Does it encompass all Irish people who are concerned about the current volumes of inward migration and desire the implementation of more robust controls? Which is it?

I don’t agree with you on anything and believe your posting style to be utterly disingenuous. However, you are correct in your assertion that immigration is unlikely to be front-and-center in the next GE. Conversely, where you’re utterly incorrect is declaring this issue to be transient. As the demographic composition of our population continues to change, the levels of anxiety and discomfort will rise inexorably, manifesting in the political discourse. It’s coming whether you like it or not..

To take this point to the extreme, it could be one of the main issues for the voters but turn out not to have a significant impact on the outcome of the election as many/most of those looking for more restrictive immigrant policies may conclude they have nobody credible to vote for who would be proposing to implement such policies...

The anti-immigration people would be those who believe it is "time for a zero refugee policy" as per the title of this very thread.

When you speak of 'the implementation of more robust controls' on immigration, what are you referring to? It's very difficult to see how the Irish government could do anything without being in serious breach of EU freedom of movement rules and / or international refugee law.

That doesn’t answer my question. You’ve re-used that trope incessantly. Have the moral courage to stand over your assertion. Identify the segments of society who you perceive to be the ‘anti-immigration guys’. Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that you’ve constructed some malignant cohort in your own head, No?

Whilst it’s incredibly tedious, I’ll indulge your disingenuousness once again. There was a 500% YoY increase in asylum applications from CY 2021 to CY 2022. It would be relatively straightforward to restore some order, by reversing course on Roderick O’Gorman’s ‘own door’ accommodation strategy. Put the word out that Ireland has had a rethink; the standard mode of accommodation going forward will be dormitory-style. Enforce a decent % of deportation orders. Do not pursue a self-deport policy. Actually deport failed asylum seekers. Step up checks to further drive down the numbers arriving sans documentation.

The second migration channel currently being roundly abused is the English language visa factories, primarily by ‘students’ from Latin America. Shut down the bogus colleges, which are essentially a thinly veiled front for people trafficking and eliminate employment rights for ‘students’. Watch the numbers entering the country drop precipitously via this channel.

Neither approach contravenes ‘international law’ and will not make Ireland a pariah state, no matter how badly you desire that to be true.

I do not recall one person on this thread arguing that we should push back against intra-EU freedom of movement. In fact, virtually all of Ireland’s migration needs can be satiated by a bloc of 450 million fellow EU/EFTA citizens.

You’re now making stuff up to deflect yet again. Within the last few pages of this thread, you’ve claimed that protestors in local communities were ‘targeting refugees’, you’ve reiterated your ‘anti-immigration guys’ nonsense, and are now arguing against a point that nobody has actually made. Keep going. It’s entertaining witnessing the mental gymnastics on display to support an increasingly threadbare narrative.

EU law is not the only thing at play here. There is also the 1951 Refugee Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), both of which Ireland is a signatory to.

A lot of these laws about asylum seeker rights were put in place post world war two when the world was a very different place. It was pre smuggling gangs and pre-tictoc.

Ireland failed to provide for an Afghan? I would imagine a genuine asylum seeker would be someone bombed out of their house in Belfast. They just make a short trip south. That would make sense. But this?

When they have this phrase "housing for all" they really must literally mean ALL. Like literally anybody from literally anywhere in the planet.

The court just found there is.

So this "17 year old" arrived with no documents and we are just supposed to take his word for it, no wonder he travelled through various safe countries before coming here because he knew full well they wouldn't put up with any of this nonsense.

No fear Gibney mentioned any of this during her soft interview with RTE on Friday.

Will they? Where are those voters going to go?

Through ignorance and lack of interest in looking at policies SF or the SDs maybe, as ridiculous as that sounds

If someone is that ill-informed and disengaged to think they'd get more restrictive immigration policies from SF or SDs I doubt they'd bother voting at all...

Doesn't matter, it's the party leadership that determines policy and they're showing no sign of changing course...