Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Nonsense argument,

For instance one of the videos in the article shows a single craft landing and a few lads get out and start running,the second video from the same area shows three craft moving along the river once the craft land the Ukrainans soldiers they almost immediately get hit with artillery,

The landing aren't new but they aren't landing big numbers or equipment this will be the most difficult part as they learned with the failed Zaporizhzhia river assault back in October

Don't forget the republicans in the US will also be ever more vocal in the run up to 2024 regarding continued aid.

Ukraine needs to deliver big decisive gains, not get bogged down. It needs to demonstrate to the west that the support and weapons are helping to deliver on the ground. If it can prove that then support will remain strong.

Do you really think if Ukraine got bogged down and lost a fair amount of armor etc... that the west will force Ukraine to negotiate wit Russia?

How do you see that working out, in that instance Russia would hold all the cards and be demanding sanctions are lifted, seized assets returned (possibly with interest). Maybe the ICC drop the charges against Putin, ignore all the other 80k+ war crimes. Allow Russia to keep their spoils of war, including children etc... The Russia can focus and regroup to take all of Ukraine next time etc...

Or would the West, seeing things deteriorating for Ukraine and at the risk of having to negotiate (both Ukraine & the West) with a wanted war criminal decide to up their game and give Ukraine more? Could be more palatable giving Ukraine ATACM's, C-RAMS, Cruise Missiles etc... rather than seeing Russia rewarded.

I'm curious, what other cards has Russia still to play?

Do you have a link to details on this failed Zaporizhzhia river assault that you mention as I don't remember seeing anything about it from anywhere other than you mentioning it?

The articles say they are based on a report that was using information released from the russian side including videos that were geo-located. The Ukrainians are not saying anything about what is going on with their efforts in the Dnipro river area so I don't know how you are so confident the moskovytes are not just releasing the media that shows them putting up a competent answer to a weak Ukrainian offensive when something different is going on there in reality. Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to flush out the position of the moskovyte artillery so it can be destroyed before their main assault or it could be something else. The moskovytes have a long front to defend so wouldn't be a surprise if there are a few weak spots along the line that Ukraine will find and exploit and hopefully drive out the invaders from their land.

@Wolf359f Do you really think if Ukraine got bogged down and lost a fair amount of armor etc... that the west will force Ukraine to negotiate wit Russia.

What do you think would happen if the Ukrainans got bogged down and lost a fair amount of their new armor exactly,

For instance if international support rapidly feel off how does ukraine keep holding off the Russian without the international communities support in fiance and ammunition and weapons

Basically you don't actually know or your would rather not say just incase,

There is no infinite supply of weapons and armor vehicles from the west and EU this is a fact,if this counter attack doesn't work they way we expect,

Then what, Biden said this and Biden said that, but Biden won't be here in the long run,and if China makes a move on Taiwan where will the US effort pivot

I think this report is very fishy. It was first reported by The Times and is not part of the intel leak. There were 500 or so Orc troops stationed there and it was reported at least 2 months prior - 8th Aug 20222 - that the plant had been mined.

Here's the account: https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-army-failed-regain-zaporizhzhia-050511020.html

If they had launched such an attack with HIMARS pounding the periphery, I doubt that would have gone unnoticed and unreported on social media, which I don't recall hearing of. Given the 2,000 plant operators and the mining, I would have thought a full on assault would have been extremely foolish

I think it's a story possibly based on a real incident a month or so earlier, when a handfull of Ukrainian special forces did sneak up to the ZNPP fence and take selfies and then snuck away. I posted the video at the time:

Those lads wouldn't have received permission to post the video at all if it was a reconoiter for a larger assault later.

I have direct experience of a number of Ukr families where the husbands are on the front line/supplying front lines and are happy that their remaining families are safe inIreland and it also relieves them of the worry and responsibility for their safety. They can then concentrate 100% on their tasks and their safety. It makes perfect sense/it’s very logical. I cannot see why anyone would be arguing on here either for or against

Lol .

Why are we ONLY talking about the possibility of a limited supply of arms from the broad western supply sources and NOT A WORD about the sustainability - or otherwise- of supply from the Moscovy side. ?

I really hope you are right but have being hearing this talk for months now .