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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    FFG have been in power since the foundation of the state, they have caused the mess!



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dasa29


    The main problem with the Article is this paragraph,

    "Under section 177 of the Local Government Act 2001, when councilors have “actual knowledge that… a connected person (spouse) has a pecuniary or other beneficial interest in, or which is material to, the matter", they are prohibited from voting and must declare the conflict of interest to the local authority. Failure to do so is an indictable criminal offence under section 181 of the act."

    The Ditch are saying with this paragraph that Collins broke the law and all over Twitter there are tweets calling for the guards to charge him, regarding the vote but the vote was to start the work on putting the property up for sale and not selling the property to his wife as a lot of people seem to think. Plus if you read the article you would notice the following

    While the method of disposal was not yet decided,” read the meeting minutes, “it would be by open market and the matter would be brought back to the area meeting again for further consideration.” and there is no mention of the property coming back before the council before it was listed for sale in the Limerick Leader property section.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    All the Garda rep organisations are piling on GSOC this weekend. They finally have a chance to discredit "Internal Affairs" and they will do so. It makes up for all the times the Gardai were made to look like lazy incompetent idiots (e.g. faking a million plus breath tests, quashing penalty points, smear campaigns etc).

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,969 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    GSOC aren't Garda Internal Affairs, there is a Garda internal investigations unit attached to the Phoenix Park.

    GSOC have an obligation to be whiter than white and they appear to be no whiter than shite. The Commission needs to be sacked and Garda external investigations integrated into the Policing Authority, which should be fully resourced and made directly answerable to the Oireachtas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,093 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Seems it’s not only the ROI who have brain dead politicians 🙄

    Seems knowing when to & when not to open your gob is beyond the comprehension of some politicians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99



    Still not a peep about it. Bizarre

    Although Ellis OHanlon is whinging in twitter that people keep just writing "Niall Collins" as replies to her instead of "Why not ask SF that question lads"



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure, one way of looking at it (though by the same token you'd have to give them credit for everything that has improved in Ireland since independence which is a lot )

    But what policies precisely that they shouldn't have followed through on have caused the housing crisis?

    For what its worth their interventions have by and large not helped - first time buyers grants and the likes just drive up prices. However, they can't be seen to be doing nothing so its a tricky one. The only viable solution is significant housebuilding which, it turns out, is deeply deeply unpopular in reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Well as you even say yourself, the problem is FG relying almost entirely on supply side solutions to housing since 2011. Thats been very deliberate policy.

    Spending billions every year on things like HAP and first time buyers grants, instead of just having the state build housing itself, has been a massive factor in our current crisis. And a total waste of money on top.

    The only people significant housebuilding would be unpopular with are landlords and REITs. The people being housed, renters no longer competing with HAP, SME business owners who don't have to pay their employees significantly more to cover high rents, large MNCs who can't recruit people to Ireland currently because of the rental market, people in general who don't like homelessness etc - the vast majority of Irish society support it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The only people significant housebuilding would be unpopular with are landlords and REITs

    This rather suggests you have never looked at the response to a single planning application ever.

    The concept of house building is popular. The reality of it is anything but.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Local NIMBYs object to certain local planning applications yes, but the population of the country as a whole is very in favour of significant housebuilding. As is shown in the polls, and in the support of every major party (even now rather belatedly including FG) for it.

    To call significant housebuilding "deeply deeply unpopular in reality" is just completely factually incorrect in Irish politics in the year 2023.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I said the concept is popular - and it is. Locally and practically it is deeply unpopular - and it is the local councils who decide on planning after all. It is always "I support housing but this particular plan is bad because XYZ"

    Where is this mass house building supposed to take place?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Minister O'Brien has avoided live media since he was skewered by Sarah on Prime Time a few weeks back. I wonder have FF decided to allow FG to take the baton with their new ideas...perhaps a new Housing plan will be produced and TDs will go around talking about billions here and billions there while delivering SFA.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, it is true.

    Significant housebuilding is deeply deeply unpopular in reality. There isn't a single large-scale housing development in Dublin that doesn't have myriad objections, most of them from opposition politicians.

    Show me a significant housing development that has gone through planning without strong objections from opposition politicians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,196 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Near where I live a very large housing development of close to 700 homes has been inundated with objections from locals, county councillors and TDs. The objections are of the "I support housing developments but not THIS one because of xyz".

    In theory everyone wants more housing......but just not next nor near them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Another FG TD not running in the next GE:

    That's Creed, Griffin, McHugh,and Phelan so far.

    Regards...jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's one lame excuse after another from the FFG fanboys in relation to the housing crisis.

    If the government took the problem seriously they would have reformed planning laws and properly resourced ABP.

    New home plans stuck as An Bord Pleanála delays grow | Independent.ie

    Plans for tens of thousands of homes are caught in the growing backlog at An Bord Pleanála, where more than 2,500 planning files are now piled up.

    About 27,000 houses and apartments are caught in that pile, plus 1,300 student accommodation units.

    And in my own Galway.

    Galway council chief ‘surprised and disappointed’ by An Bord Pleanála refusals for social housing in city – The Irish Times

    Galway council chief ‘surprised and disappointed’ by An Bord Pleanála refusals for social housing in city

    Planning body, heavily criticised at local authority emergency meeting, branded ‘a basket case’ who have ‘stolen Galway’s progress’

    The chief executive of Galway City Council has questioned whether any land available to the local authority would “pass muster” as suitable for social housing with An Bord Pleanála, following a series of high-profile planning refusals.

    ---------------

    The housing disaster will get worse and worse even quicker than I expected. Many tradesmen are also emigrating because they cannot afford rent/houses.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They are in huge trouble. Easier to retain seats than get new TDs in. Their toxicity will make it very difficult in 2025. 20 seats or less is my prediction.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Yes, less we forget how often the son, or daughter, or just anyone with the same surname was placed before a gullible electorate, to get some votes in the bag because of the name recognition.

    Are they still trying to court local GAA stars? That was always an FFG tactic. Mostly in their 20s, so they are probably shinners now!!

    It is a concern alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Yep. There were talks about 9 FG TDs not running in the next GE. So far, four of them have decided. Varadkar has been a disaster for FG and has lost seats for FG in every election. He stupidly lost a safe seat in Wexford (Murphy) to please the morons in the Dublin media. His pettiness about Kate O'Connell lost a seat in DBS. The absolute mess of the bye-election in DBS gave the otherwise unelectable Bacik a seat. The uncertainty about the timing of the next GE is a major problem.

    The FFG supporters are claiming that the government will run its full term but it only takes a Motion of No Confidence on a major issue for the government to fall. That would mean that some parties will not have had adequate time to get replacements into place for those retiring. FG seems, at the moment, to be the worst affected. And if FG drops in the RedC poll this weekend, it may give others a reason to announce that they are not running. While the 15% in the B&A was simply on first preference votes, morale in FG must be rock bottom. The danger now is that FG could be Labourised in the next GE because not only would their support collapse, FF would be working to keep the transfers within FF candidates.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭poppers


    FG have been in power for 3 terms IMO even if they managed to sort out housing and health before the next election they are still going to take a mauling.

    Youd be hard pushed to find any working democracy where the same party governs for 20yrs.

    id say mid to high 20's, will be the rtn, Leo will be jettisoned and a new leader (PD) will start the rebuild like Enda did after Michael Noonan.

    SF and FF will do a deal and prob be in power for 2 terms before people become disillusioned with them as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Do you think new parties will emerge? Possibly a splinter from FF or FG. Their baggage is extensive now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭poppers


    Can't see new party winning a significant amount of seats to to sustain a challenge. Plenty of headlines about the end of FF after the 2011 election think they lost around 50 seats.

    The PDS and SD should have hovered up that vote. FG were all about new Politics so they took it.

    IMO The Irish electorate are very populist agenda driven, Big talk of Climate reform before last election Greens done well and low and behold looks like they are going to loose all their seat now because they are driving the green agenda.

    When SF need to make the tough decisions and the opposition offer what people want the will fall by the way side aswell and we will hear how SF have let the people down. Rinse and repeate



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    He was interviewed off air today for Drivetime. If ever a politician came across as a bullshi**er, Darragh’’s yer man



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Therein lies an issue, FF will jump into bed with anyone to retain power. MM today defending Collins was galling to listen to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    If only that other Kilkenny grifter was retiring was well. Then again he would just put his useless son up in his place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Think that Phelan was born in Waterford as were a lot of people from Kilkenny. :)

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere




  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    He represents Kilkenny [he's even labelled a Kilkenny TD]. I'd also like to see the other Kilkenny TD grifter leave as well.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Well Phelan did refer to Waterford's North side as being "Lebensraumt". :) Hope he recovers from the surgery and the heart problem though.

    Regards...jmcc



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