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When's calving starting 2023

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    The traditional breeds seem to reach sexual maturity at younger age's compared to a lot of the continental types. Limousine may be one exception to this rule but AAx, SHx, HEx all seem to be regularly capable of cycling from 4/5 months on. Usually if a young heifer is returned to the mart for proving incalf it's a black, black whitehead or Limousine type. You'll rarely see CHx or other continental types proving incalf that young.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Belgian blues would be noted for cycling at a young age too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,052 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Sh1tty day here. Had a heifer die here earlier. I jacked the calf and she put out the bed. Not that hard of a pull. Calf average to small size. First time ever here having a prolapse. Got bed sheet and put it under it. (Tip from here one time.) Vet came and put it in. !0 mins after he left, she died. I got 1/2 liter from her and tubed the calf. Got more beastings from a local dairy guy and tubed that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Tough patsy. Chin up tho 👍🏽. Keep the calf fed anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,052 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Thanks. Well calf was cold last night when I tubed it. Cold nose, shivering. Neighbour was waiting for cow to calf to get fresh stuff. I put calf under infrared lamp all night. He jumped up this morning when he saw me. Lovely and warm again. For anyone that doesn't have an infrared lamp, get one. Super job to put heat into them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I've been putting jackets on the calves when they are born for the last few years, it has really reduced the amount sickness in calves generally. I think it's been better to stop them getting cold in the first place than trying to heat them with a lamp later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,076 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Cnut of a breeze out today. Young calves would need good shelter outside today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I had a bit of a shite week cattle wise. On Monday a heifer lay down on a 3 day old heifer calf and smothered it. A fourth calver got mastitis in a quarter last week and the Vet gave us marbocyl to give to her for 3 days and we drew the quarter twice a day. She calved a fine bull calf on Thursday but unfortunately has mastitis in three quarters. I got about half a litre of colostrum out of the good quarter and bought a bottle of stuff in the Vet and gave it to the calf. We have the calf sucking the heifer three times a day but I have to keep it behind a gate as she hasn't taken to it yet. The cow is on hay and water and will be dried off. The other two quarters are rock hard and there is nothing coming when you draw the teats. I bought a tube of udder mint cream and have been rubbing it on twice a day but still nothing. The cow is eating and chewing her cud so I hope she keeps healthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Not good Base, hang in there, things will get better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Now that she has calved, a shot of an inflammatory might help with the hardness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    The Vet is open for an hour in the morning so I ask for an injection for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I finally got the registration to go through as "provisionally registered".

    Instantly got an e-mail back............

    The registration cannot proceed as there is a query in relation to the age of the dam. If the dam tag number supplied is incorrect please provide the correct tag number. If the date of birth of the dam is incorrect please contact your RVO to resolve this. Alternately provide the RVO with the Veterinary opinion indicated below. The RVO may require a blood test to establish the genetic link between the calf and the dam. Please return the completed form to your RVO.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,052 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    What the hell? Put this girl in for calving at the top of the cubicle shed, as tight for sheds. Bar was there to let some young weanling get in there to lie away from the cows. Got her out anyway and she just calved with 20 mins of getting her out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    If it can happen, it will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Just as well we didn’t put the calving aid on DoneDeal




  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭alan10


    16 days over. Joskins LM2188 Dovea. Waterbag out 9pm last night, 1 foot just about sticking out 2am with no real pushing. Jacked him out - not sure she would have pushed him. 4L colostrum into him @ 2am, he sucked another 1-2 this morning and out of the shed 7am.

    1 more to go....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    bit of a mixed day today, dad rang me to see was I home from work yet I said aye I’m 5 mins away. A yearling heifer broke her back leg maybe bulling and he had to get the vet to put her down. Lovely muscly heifer from one I bought a couple of years ago. Very disappointed. I went down in the tractor to pull her out if the field for collection. An hour later this girl fired out this nice lively wee heifer calf. Tough break, we thought leaving th down the road at the weekend we’d have the same amount all summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Sorry for your loss. Shame that she couldn't have been be part of the food chain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Thanks pal. Aye ach I never even asked that all was done by the time I got home. Don’t think that could happen if she wasnt fit to get into a trailer and it wasnt fair to let her suffer. Very hard thing to happen a young wee one like that. Aw as long as it’s outside the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Yes, probably law wouldn't allow it. Some years ago, my neighbour who owned a family butcher stall had a similar case, they dealt with it in the field before removal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Aw there likely would have been ways and means but its that much a gunk either way I just wanted her away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Hard luck squinn. Just after calving a still born there now. First time in a long years, I'd one not alive during calving. Can not win them all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    Fine Charolais bull calf dead this morning. Week old. Cow licked the navel off him after calving, got bleeding stopped and sprayed iodine. Probably worst thing I could have done. Tried silver spray and Stockholm tar spray and she licked that too so separated them, letting him in twice a day for a suck. Vet was out and said there was nothing more could be done. Sickener. One of the best cows we have as well, probably for the road now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Jaysus lads that is rank luck. Thank God I’;ve never had that with the naval I see it reported on here very often. Strange. Was the still born late calving or anything? Or just dead all along?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Bad luck with the naval Sean, a sickner, will you try another calf on her?

    My Still born Probly died in last few hours, had handled her and feet were inside opening but head was elbow length in. Presumed she just needed and hour or two to push calf up higher, pulled with ropes after 2 hours but dead as dodo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,052 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    A few years back, I had a cow split open a calf on the underside by pulling on the naval. Calf's guts all out on the dirty ground. Vet put back in but calf died later. In hindsight maybe the calf was born that way. I dunno.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    She has a great bag of milk, 2nd cross Limousin from a freisan. Ideal cow in every way but getting in a calf, bringing her in twice a day, and the risk of disease with bringing in a calf, I might cut my losses and let her off dry in a few weeks. I have heifers to replace her. I was planning on culling abit harder this year. Just didn’t want it to be 1 of the good cows. She had a lovely chocolat d’champs heifer calf last year, so she’ll continue on her line all going well



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Well your happy enough to ship her off with no hassle so go with that. At least you've the line still with last year's heifer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    There are times when it’s nice to be at work and in a doctor’s waiting room and miss all the fun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    A update on the heifer and her adopted bull calf. The calf got an awful scour with bloody flecks through it within a three or four days so I treated him with electrolytes four times daily and a half a sachet of suplha no.2 powders once daily. It was touch and go with him for a couple of days as he was too weak to suck the heifer but we also bottled fed/syringed a litre or so of milk from her trice daily - I also put a calf rug on him to help him maintain his temperature. I brought him to the Vet to get an IV drip and the Vet added bread soda to the drip (never seen it done before) and it made a huge difference - because I was treating him with sulpha powders the Vet didn't do a scour test. Thankfully he has turned the corner, is bouncing around the pen and sucking freely from the heifer. I'm going to leave them in the shed for a few more days until the weather settles before letting them out into the small paddock behind the house to keep an eye on them.

    Had a 3rd calving pbnr LM cow by ZAG calve yesterday morning. We bought her incalf to a LM as a heifer and she was tight calving with the jack. Last year she calved a bull calf unassisted to the stock bull. We had to jack the bull calf out as she wasn't making any progress. Unfortunately she put her calf bed out about five hours later and we had to get the Vet for her. Cow and calf are fine but unfortunately she is another one for feeding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    @Base price The Vet treating the calf may have included treatment for accidiodis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Would you always cull for putting the calf bed out ? Or has anyone ever tried putting them in calf again ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Well lad, I have a cow at note now about to have her third calf. AS a heifer she calved on slats and put the calf bed out overnight so it had come away out by the time we got to her and got the vet. She calved no bother herself last year and had a heifer calf. I'll update you about how she gets on this year so it's fingers crossed. She always has a lovely muscly calf but not overly growy and now a bit late so ill see what she has this time and if it's not a great calf she will be let on too but for another reason. Older cows if they put the calf bed out were culled I can think of 2 off the top of my head going back about 5 years I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Kept an eye on this girl from the pub as I was watching Armagh beat Cavan. Some calf




  • Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭golodge


    Had one having an uterine prolapse as a heifer. She turned 11 years old this year, no repeated issue and her calves are always on a bigger side. She actually had a lovely heifer calf a couple days ago. We do not cull cows for this reason. None reapeated prolapse yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Have kept a few of them after, never had a problem with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Not necessarily, we have a heifer that put out her calf bed a few years ago and she has had three calves since. However she does try to put it out after calving each time so when she is near calving I get an injection of oxytocin and a bottle of oral drench (I cant remember the name of it) from the Vet and both are given as soon as she calves. It helps but when she lies down she starts to push. To overcome the problem as soon as the calf has sucked we put her out into the yard away from the calf that way she is preoccupied with trying to get back into the calf rather than lying down iykwim.

    Edit to add - the cow that put it out on Saturday is actually a 4th calver, I thought she was a 3rd calver. She has got more wicked after each calving so it's a good reason to remove the threat of possible human injury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭GNWoodd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    My pins would be on the small side (father used to be dairy) so around 11ft x 11ft each. TBH i thought the same with the bigger sucklers i have now, so used to open the gate between pins so 11ft x 22ft and they still calved against the gates and walls! They will lie where their comfortable i find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    @minerleague Sorry lad I just noticed this question. That used to be a milking parlour so yea it is a touch more narrow than would be ideal. The middle pen is small but cows can calve it in dead on, just there’s a wee slope going towards the back pen and calves can slip a bit on it. The back pen is roomy but not enough to divide even in it sometimes they lie right into the wall. I agree with above they pick their spot regardless. One time I had a small cow and she calved out through a gate into another one with a young calf. I had to chance in and get her own calf back to her and both were agitated. I went over the lane to feed a group and when I came back 45 mins later she had calved another calf out the other gate and into another cow with a calf. Same Job to do but all were fine. Since then any new cow for calving goes into an end pen!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Meant to say those two pens are just 9ft wide. Tighter than you’d like but the cows work grand in them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    I have a cow that’s 301 days in calf to a LM today. She’s not making much of a spring. Her udder is very slack. I never got her scanned but presumably she’s in calf. Can she go much longer than this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    I think 306 was the longest here. Lim cows incalf to lim bulls are notorious for it. The year i used KJB here was a joke, ten months wasn’t unusual. Is she softening behind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭emaherx


    The 13 month old heifer that calved 2 weeks ago,

    Calf is very small but lively, think it may have found a flaw in the fencing.

    The very last one calved today at lunch time. (Will be the very last one as I will sell the cows at weaning and buy in calves from next year.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    That looks a good cow pity she’s on the lateish side. What kinda breeding do you have? And numbers? Will you go completely out of the cows? We are talking about cutting back a bit on them. It’s a ludicrous situation having to buy fodder every year in March and then in the summer its a fight with the fence every day in life to give them enough.



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