BYD Atto3

China is a malign actor in Europe. Chinese industry thinks nothing of ripping off western designs, brands, trademarks, technology etc.

Western security agencies have banned Huawei communications tech and now TikTok is gradually being banned off State and official devices all across Europe.

Nobody should buy Chinese cars, it is bad for the European economy, jobs investment and technological security.

Please buy European brands, or if not then choose a car brand from another market of the global west, like Korea or Japan.

BYD, GWM Ora, SIAC Maxus and MG all should be run out of town. Personally, I wouldn't even buy Volvo or Polestar as they are under the Chinese Geely corporation.

Wow that's quite the hot take.

If that's how you feel I think we should also ban all Korean cars & phones seeing as Hyundai & Samsung control the Korean government & policies, workers rights (none) through the chaebel system.

But my point & yours are completely irrelevant to the discussion of the Atto3.

Yours might be, mine isn't.

I'm sure it's a very satisfactory vehicle, I just don't want anyone to consider it, let alone purchase it. Please.

If you dont go for metallic, What is the delivery charge

Do Tesla charge for delivery

While its good to see a new car hit the market, and I have seen lots of favourable reviews ; my interest has reduced a bit

Assuming no delivery charge with Telsa , and 2K with MSL BYD, that narrows the price gap, between the two

Impossible to predict, and I am probably wrong, but I think the BYD will depreciate more than the Tesla , because for a prospective buyer, they will be put off by a brand , they are not familiar with , and the quirky interior not to everyone's taste

Yeah cos VW are famous for looking after the environment.

I'm far from a fan of the regime in China but it's extraordinary difficult to avoid your spending money ending up there one way or another.

Well at least you get a dash on the BYD unlike the Tesla where all you get is a dull useless shelf.

Yes you should lol. Well what would you call that thing in front of your screen? Its hardly a dash and if it is not much of one.

If Western car manufacturers made affordable EVs people wouldn't be forced to buy Chinese cars.

They're dragging their heels on EV development and just trying to sell us overpriced SUVs.

Tesla being the noticeable exception.

You can't blame people for buying Chinese cars when the alternatives are far more expensive.

Western companies have more expensive overheads. Like wages, staff welfare , health and safety, environmental protection etc.

there’s a reason why things coming from China are cheaper

hmm... I'm going on what Gumbo said, which is that its €37k+€2k so as good as €40k OTR for the entry level model.

An ID.3 entry level is also in or around that price.... give or take a few thousand.

So, the Atto3 is cheaper and it might have a few other bits of spec that make it more appealing to an individual but its swings and roundabouts really as the ID.3 has things the entry level Atto3 doesn't have (3-phase AC, faster DC charging etc) so its a bit of a muchness really and since there is only a few €k between them its not going to shake up the market that much.... its just another competitor.

I think people were thinking that when "the Chinese" got here with their BEV's they would be alot cheaper.... that's clearly not the case.

They will provide more choice and more competition and that's a good thing.

True but the argument is that they aren't shaking up the market coming here with their sub 40k EVs. But I'd make the case that having more sub 40K options helped convince Elon to drop the price of the Model 3 to 40K.

Fair point. I thought it was smaller than it actually is. Comparing the dimensions its a little smaller/shorter than the ID.4 and obviously bigger than the ID.3 so it sits between the two but obviously competing with the ID.4 and Model Y, as you said.

So, the price gap is ~€6k then. The ID.4 and Model Y charge ALOT quicker (AC and DC) and have significantly more range. Two rather important things for an EV.

I suppose some will still jump at the Atto3 simply because of the €6k and not care (or maybe realise) about the negatives. I wont knock it, we need more competition to start driving prices down.

They have been making EV batteries for years. So the one company making the car and the battery means they can pump them out very quickly.

They started making batteries in 1995 and cars in 2003 so not like they appeared out of nowhere. A 20 year overnight success. Warren Buffets company owns a 10% share of BYD so I'd assume that helps to take on a more global market reach. They are on track to be the biggest EV car manufacturer in 2023.

One of the things I like is their blade battery technology doesn't use cobalt so that offsets some of the human misery involved in building EVs.

warren Buffet isa big investor and when BYD give EV figures it includes. PHEV and BEV

they were responsible for me being made redundant around 2001. I was a R&D engineer designing batteries and charging circuits for Motorola but they decided to just outsource it to BYD.

I’ll never drive one 😂

What ICE vehicles do they compete against?