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When's calving starting 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    301 is the longest here. Yeah she is softening alright around the rear end, the pin bones are staying up for now. She is never much of a milker so prob won’t spring all that much coming to think of it. Hopefully she doesn’t have a monster inside her, that’s my biggest concern. I’ll post here what happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    303 is my best if i remember correct, LM bulls are notorious for bringing time, 2 weeks would be standard with a LM bull.

    Any chance she broke?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Big Pps heifer last night. Will be the last one to calf here . Cows will be going this autumn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    No bull here, all AI so dates are fairly accurate



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭James2022


    I had what I would describe the ideal calving season this year. 1-2 calves everyday for 4-5 weeks before it calmed down to 1 every 2 days. Lots of really nice replacement heifers from AI. Only had to use the jack once and provide considerable assistance to 3 other animals. Calves all born in the correct position, mostly during the day, up and suckling quickly. The wet weather was annoying but I just made pens within pens to house all the calves. Heifers all calving easily and taking to their calves straight away. Then I go to let out some cows and calves last week and while in the pen one of my best calves has a seizure and dies. Gutted. I've had some very bad years but never nice to end on a downer despite all the luck throughout the season.


    What really helped me this year was double and often triple checking the stock bulls to get dates, cutting feed way back to keep cows from gaining weight, feeding meal+mineral powder every few days starting 2-3 weeks beforehand, this brings on colostrum and gives mother+calf energy during labour, lick buckets 2 months before calving and one of the most important things was to have the cow in the calving pen 24-48 hours before calving. Moving a cow from one shed to another usually delays calving by an hour, often more so I found this helps a lot. Cows are much calmer since they know their surrounding and aren't trying to get into the calf in the next pen thinking its theirs.


    One thing I started doing when I was around the sheds was feeding most calves a bottle 20-25 mins after its calved. This is before they've stood and every time the calf would take it. I just use milk replacer and feed 200-500ml depending on the calf. This really kicks them into gear, they'll really make the effort to stand and will latch on to the udder first time. I'm also a believer in lifting up a calf and getting it standing if it's having any trouble. It's relieving to have calves standing, full and laying down to be cleaned off by the cow before they are an hour old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭emaherx


    She's a second calver, 81%AA with some HO/MO. By lateish, you mean in the season? I always put the bull to the heifers last, she was a bit later last year. She's a big hungry cow so she'll probably fatten well.

    Mostly AAX, HEX and SIX cows, always kept an AA bull. Only 12 cows this year been getting progressively smaller the past few years. Cost of good bulls is a factor too, I'd considered AI this year but the farm is just too fragmented to be practical. Kids want to be more and more involved in the farm too and I think calf rearing will suite tha too. The house is a few KM from the yard too, so watching cows from a far by camera.

    I've had a big career change and opted for a WFH part time job, to cut out on the child minding and probably have a good opportunity now to concentrate better on the profitability of the farm while still having more family time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yea that’s what I meant. Wouldn’t mind April though but May calvers are very late. We would try to pull them back or let them into autumn girls once. You might do well selling with calf at foot but mayne you wanna keep weanlings and let them run on?

    You seem well thought through anyhow. Good luck with whatever way you go, be interesting to see how it goes for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Yea I'd agree, normally try to be finished before mid April, this one ended up a little later last year. I always tried to avoid Autumn calving altogether.

    Plan is to keep the weanlings, I've bred very quite stock that are used to trailers and paddocks, so at least I know where I'll stand with them as yearlings. Sell cows at weaning and start buying in calves in spring and increase numbers. At least I won't need to worry about grass over the next 2 years, probably have to bale and sell surplus.

    Hope it's well thought out, but really only one way to find out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Don't think I'd agree with your last paragraph, would it not dilute colostrum or even curdle it? Think it better to have calf hungry to take in maximum from cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I would agree there. I don’t like too much messing with a calf thats just born I’d rather allow the cow to lick him into shape . I throw a bit of sand down if I’m about and that gives him a bit of grip. Get the naval done with iodine and I aim for that to be it. The act of sucking early helps a calf get going too. If we had to jack a calf then yes he would get some bieslin but otherwise I’d always try to let the team at it. Last year we had one calved outside and the calf couldn’t get up. Eventually after 3 weeks he got up unaided. Mother shocking wild is away now. I’m not too sure what else could have been done but I had a foster cow for him and he went on ok, not a stormer but a right oul bullock now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I think you should blog your journey. It’s looking more and more like we’re all mad with sucklers but sure they’re still there anyhow! Farming for me isn’t a money maker so what I’d like to do is cut back on cattle and hardship and have it that there’s always plenty of feeding than the messing were at this last few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Good few here talking about getting out of sucklers.



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    No shortage of dairy calves available anyway for lads changing system.

    Dairy calving numbers up 2.3% with suckler calvings down 5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    It will be sad to see the absence of colour and quality in fields around the country. But its all about the margin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭James2022



    Nope doesn't have any bad effect. I'd actually say its the best method to get a calf going and ensure it stands and suckles without a problem. Most of the time I just pick the calf up and put it straight under the mother after it has a quick drink from a bottle. Like I said having calves suckled and done 45 mins after being born has taken so much of the trouble out of calving season. A calf isn't able to take the maximum when its born unless they have poor milk so that's not a problem either.

    After growing up with belgian blue calves I'm very hands on. I'd rather just pick a calf up and stick it under the mother to be done with it rather than checking back. It sounds like more work but it's made things a lot easier for me. We all have our own methods. A neighbour just closes the shed door at dinner time and comes back in the morning, somehow that works for him every year.



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    I’d say the last time a had to get a calf to drink a cow was 2.5 years ago. Maybe some breeds need more help



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭James2022




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Same here, would only help a calf if the calf needs the help. Had a section last week and tubed the calf twice but that needed done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    I do the same as you here, i'd often warm a cup full of shop milk and a grain of sugar and put it in a bottle, once they get the taste it's a huge help to get them sucking the cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    You guys must have awful quiet cows. Ours are fine but you wouldn’t go into a lot them when they’re fresh calved. I find the cow is the best at getting the calf up sucking herself so if she calves herself I’d keep an eye and not bother with them. If it was a handy pull I’d let her out the headgate and give her first chance. Hard pull and then they need help to get going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I would be the same as you @squinn2912 generally Lmx cows here with LM calves the calves are usually very lively & would be up trying to drink within a half an hour. So I leave them at it. Just keep an eye, plus the cows are usually fussing about the calf so I find I would only be agitating the cow if I was to try bottle feeding a calf that didn't need it. Lad up the road here stomach tubes 2L of colostrum (gets it from dairy farmers) into every calf with 20 minutes of calving. He recons it gives them a great start but every year he has a calf that refuses to suck for a few days, I would say its the tubing puts the calf off. Also I would fear bringing some bug into the farm getting milk from another farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yea we have been very lucky with the Charolais bull here as well calves easy and lively calves too. I would get colestrom from dairy lads too but only have it for when we need it. That’s a good point imo where you might put the calf off from sucking himself. I suppose what works in one place might not be the way in another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    How you look after the cow precalving makes a difference too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Big difference between limousines off mature cows and blues or Charolais for get up and go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The end of calving is nearly in sight, down to the last one left. Only started calving the last day of march. Has went well with 24 cows and their 24 calves are at foot. Had to intervene with only 2, one coming backwards ( then cow decided to put out the calving bag as the calf popped out.) Second was a cow that had slowed down a lot. Working full time so dont want hassle cases. Breeds used were aubrac for cows and a nice Angus on the heifers.

    Things that went well. Getting cows out for the daytime hours to a bare paddock marked for reseeding. ( It's now well tilled). This made silage at night very easy. Seeing the cows stretching out helps a lot in the days coming up to calving.

    Having accurate serve dates for the bull and ai are great when backed up scanning. The bit of time with tail paint and checking around at breeding pays off.

    No calf stayed in more than 2 days, they are just better off out. Really lightens the work load. Even with the few cold and wet spells they are just hardier out and less chance of pneumonia

    All the bull calves are castrated (lamb rings) as they are tagged. Just safer and easier to do now.

    Overall a better year, I might still have to eat my words, 😭😭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Tight operation there. Nothing like having all about the place with a pulse. You must have very dry ground that you could let them out. We had an awful buck maybe the best cow died with tetany after being let out with her calf. There’s an oul sh cow now rearing him and her own lad. She had a lick and hay the evening before. Got vet and she lived on another 2 days but then died, it must have got to the brain.

    Would you need to squeeze them that early? Ours would always be done around weanling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    It's as easy to watch 3-4 due to calve as one. I find the key to a tight calving spread is first make sure that the cow has calved without problem. Last year start to finish was about 6weeks. Hard calvings are just hard on everyone. Calving jack should be used on less than 3%of a herd and that came from the vet.

    2. Is pick a date that breeding finishes and stick to it. Most will have got 3 chances to go in calf. If not bye bye. This leaves you breeding from only your most fertile cows

    3. Doing a bit of tail painting and recording heats pre breeding. Having this data is vital as it gives a pic of cycles.

    Farming a very heavy farm. The paddock they went into for calving you couldn't have driven a tractor across it for most of the month. And it's getting a drainage job in early summer. If it wasn't wet I would pull a harrow over it, shake seed and roll. It's brown now and I had skinned it in early March with yearlings during the wet. all I want for the cows was ground to stretch and lie off on. Few years ago I has cryto and rota at the same time in late Feb, I was sick of carting straw, moving pens and trying to rear 50 bucket feds at the same time. Something had to give and I slipped calving back to april. This is 7th year of it .Calving outdoors is a pleasure. Last year's paddock was handy, I could look out the kitchen window

    About 25% were to FTAI. Heifers and daughters of the bull.

    On the castration side. They were always going to be squeezed. Just safer and easier to do it at the first few days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Barron lad


    A pity to see another suckler farmer producing quality stock leaving the game. What is your plan now ?

    Last cow calved here last Friday. A lovely bb5214 heifer calf to finish it off.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭Katie 2018


    Had last cow calved about a month now.calve all Dec ,Jan time.whats best way try get her back abit in calving date.she with bull again.anything I can inject her with bring her on heat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Try a crid ( coil) might help. Talk to the vet and it's Fixed time Ai. When ai put a short gestation bull like an AA.

    It's a decision to make, take the short calving and samller calf or move on the cow



  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭Katie 2018


    She running with limousine bull. Ai not an option. On outfarm.she 2nd calver



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Would she be a silent heater & you didn’t notice the bull after her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    One of the FR cull cows was springing last week (three spins) so we put her on the stand off pad. She calved a cracking AAx bull calf earlier this morning. She's a second calver and buckets of milk on the three teats. I'll try and adopted one or push my luck with a second over the weekend and see how she gets on with them for a few weeks along with her own calf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Can you separate cow and calf and let calf suckle twice a day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Just today actually, a big lump of a bull. Calved herself but she had good size to her so that helped. He can’t be far off 70kg and he’s up and sucking himself. It was the longest a cow has carried for us I’d say. Glad it came out alive and all that anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭Katie 2018


    All outside this last week so be too awkward to work that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,052 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I've been trying to foster this calf on to another cow that calved the following night. I let the cow in twice a day to her own calf and this calf. She puts her head tru the calving gate for some meal and she lets both drink away. When I'd let her out she'd puck away the foster calf. Wasn't sure what to do as it's 3 weeks now. This morning I let her in loose to them and she stood for both. A few more days and maybe I could let them off outside.

    3 weeks seems like a long time but I thought it was easier than mixing milk powder for just one calf. I guess I'm just more stubborn than the cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Good luck with that you deserve a good outcome! We had one die with tetany and put her calf on as a double. He was a great rough calf and the cow took to him and is doing a good job on both. Bulled again now and I hope back in calf. Be careful to watch out when you do chance them out I’ve seen one that will stand in the yard go off a calf in the field.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Had a cow with twins Friday first calf out was a heifer 2nd was a bull. The cow mad about the bull but only so so on the heifer. Her second set in 2 years hope she'll do a good job on both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    How much is it to dispose of a stillborn calf to the knackery, and is it any cheaper dropping it off personally to the knackery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    It's eamonns I was thinking of, that's better value than I thought. Thanks tanko.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Who2


    15 to drop off beside me and twenty five collected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Seems normal collection price alright, but big difference in 5 and 15 for drop off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    15 to drop off here too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,406 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Is the twin bull stronger/larger than the heifer. I often wonder is it due to the fact that one calf (normally the bull) is stronger, more capable than the other and nature has a way of sorting out the strong from the weak as in if they were living in the wild. One of the cows here had mixed twins a few weeks ago. The bull is a good third larger than his sister but thankfully the cow doesn't treat them any differently. When I see them sucking in the field it's always the bull I see on first and the heifer could be yards away before she runs over. As time goes on the bull with get the better do.



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