Is it time to join Nato

The Muscovites are saying that the EU is the same as NATO now.

That's a declaration of hostilities against Ireland and Austria.

"Irish Military Intelligence works closely with the British Security Service (MI5) and Secret Intelligence Service (SIS/MI6), American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA), and is understood to have a relationship with Israeli Mossad.

Ireland is reported to be a member of the ECHELON SIGINT (signals intelligence) network, sharing and receiving information with its members (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and United States)."

- Wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

So we're very likely to see any major threat long in advance. Especially in these years where Russia's security infrastructure is more infiltrated, pre-occupied, chaotic and divided than ever.

To that you can add co-operation from all fellow EU member states' security services, who have interests in maintaining order within the EU, as well as maintaining their own national interests in Ireland (citizens, investments and diplomatic alliances).

This would equally apply to certain non-EU countries, Ukraine for example, with many Ukrainians in Ireland and given Ukraine's present relationship with Russia, we would almost certainly receive any relevant information from such a strong source engaged in a full on information war with Russia.

Then there are sort of marginal systems of which Ireland is a member which could happen to catch wind of any Russian plans, such as Europol, and frontex. True they don't work in that particular field, but surveillance and intel information flows through them. Anything big can send ripples down those channels. *(Frontex in particular makes use of satellite based signal detection, space and aviation based surveillance, and has access to European space agency resources).

And I would suspect that non-state entities such as Anonymous would side with neutral, peaceful Ireland over the nation which is presently being the worlds biggest A-hole.

tl;dr: solid odds we would easily see anything of any significant scale coming from Russia to harm us well in advance.

Edit for grammatical error, to add wiki link, and to reference to frontex's equipment. No reference to '5 eyes' was made, or inferred.

If/when SF are in power they'd just take Ireland back out anyway, or prevent Ireland from joining in the first place. Joining nato would cause too much division on the island.

No it wouldn't.

To join nato would mean to form an alliance with an authoritarian, anti-democratic Turkey (Turkiye). A highly corrupt country which disregards human rights and laws. A country whos regime is influenced in its elections and decisions by extreme Islamist political interests.

The same country is still causing territorial disputes with our fellow EU members Greece and Cyprus.

We cant be associated with such a dangerous rogue state.

The money and contracts involved in rapidly bringing our forces up to nato standard would no doubt result in a tsunami of self serving gombeenism and influence peddling by our homegrown chancers, as well as those from abroad. Have they not shafted us enough already.

Oooh youll be needing a nuclear reactor for that too, wouldnt you agree Bertie.

- eh eh eh yes Mr Raytheon, in fact I think we'll need 2.

What. Eh eh I mean 3.

If we had previously joined nato, then a couple of years ago we'd have been part of a military alliance run by Trump, Erdogan and Bojo. Think about that.

Thats just begging for problems. I think if you overlap the Trump, Erdo, and Bojo cicrles as a chart, then the bit you get in the middle is Joe Exotic.

Trump is gone, Erdogan had a heart attack yesterday hopefully he's doesn't survive ,

Next

If we were to join nato now we'd be allied with the 'Tory' party.

It was only recently that one of the top tories (Patel) was threatening to cut Ireland off from food supply routes.

The term 'Tory' comes from an Irish word roughly meaning 'one who mugs you'.

Could this be whats known in the business as "foreshadowing".

hmmm. 🤔

Does joining nato require a referendum? Some would say no.

Would the Irish public demand a referendum, yes.

Polls show most Irish people want to maintain our militarily neutral status.

So just a waste of time and money to pursue the question.

Spend that money on our debt or health service instead.

Natos top dog is USA, and the top dog in the USA is corporations. Who wants to go fight, and kill, and die for Halliburtons shareholders.