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Irish Cricket 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭crossman47


    A draw is the best we can hope for but I fear an innings defeat now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Mendis out to Hume for 245, 629/3



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Actually it is going to be a good test for the team. Trying to bat out for a draw. Once the declaration comes if they can see out a session relatively unscathed, 1 or even 2 down, I fancy our chances. A better team than Sri Lanka I would fancy to topple us over but, and it's a big but, can we get through a session. Looking like it could be today's final session.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    They must declare fairly soon, be stupid not to if they want to win. No way we're winning from here, toothless bowling.

    So they need to bowl us out and knock off any runs if needed. Will we be back in immediately after tea, weather permitting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    Jeez that scorecard makes for tough reading. I wonder why Stirling hasn’t done a couple overs of off spin at all. Realistically it wouldn’t have made much difference, but you never know. And it would at least give the others a brief rest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Reckon Sri Lanka will bat for another hour and then put plenty of men around the bat as Ireland poke and prod trying to save the test.

    The bowling is so ordinary with little or no threat whatsoever. It's a horrible place to be in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Can't understand why they haven't declared already. The longer they bat, the more chance we have of fighting for a draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    Trying to get their top 4 batsmen to centuries?

    Evening session of Day 4 and it’s still the first innings, mad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Just to tire out the Irish fielders more I suspect and pick up a clump a wickets before the close of play. I'd imagine they have a target in mind to lead by before declaring and they'll let Matthews will get to his century.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    200 plus lead with Matthews getting his century, then they'll declare, you would think. If we can survive the short spell this evening, we can force the draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Shows a level of disdain for us so, it's a team game - no reason to just bat on and let Mathews get his ton other than ego. Hope it backfires on them and they run short of time tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,595 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Is there any case for protecting wickets this evening but go out and have a belt tomorrow to try get a win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,595 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Prabath Jayasuriya is causing all sort of problems already from his first two overs.

    McCollum gone. It had been coming. Spin at both ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We haven't a hope in hell of bowling them out quickly, if at all on the basis of evidence these two tests :)

    We should be fighting tooth & nail for a draw. Moor swipes two sixes and is gone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    Sri Lanka post a total in the top 25 highest of all time for only three down and given that Ireland racked up nearly 500, the wicket must be a complete road!

    Naturally we will bottle it tomorrow and lose by ten wickets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,962 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Brain dead. You’d wonder why the coaches didn’t say to the players the obvious… “ you cannot win this test, it’s absolutely 10000% physically impossible, no stupid shît , just play deliveries on their merits, bat / play with a draw in mind…get a result. Hitting sixes or going arial or trying will get you out, or get you nothing, an Ireland win is impossible… so why trying to hit it in the air ? Like having 3 hours to drive 5 kilometres and going 40 over the limit… bizarre cricket

    Sri Lanka 704/3 … the 24th highest test total of all time. To score that many and only loosing 3 wickets…




  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares


    I'm pretty sure too it's the third highest score with three wickets still standing. In 1997 Sri Lanka were on 790 when they lost their fourth wicket against India, and in 2006 they were on 751 when they lost their fourth wicket against South Africa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares


    To clarify, it's not just Sri Lanka's greatest scores with 7 wickets still in hand, it's out of everyone. They have the top three scores. But it doesn't include if someone went, say, 800/2d.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Well, at least Ireland didn't declare in the first innings like some commentators thought they should.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Tough one to save from here, but loads of batting and a decent wicket, so still a good chance of a draw, 704/3 is crazy, like a score from years ago when the County teams played the universitys



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares


    Here's a mad idea. What if Ireland did try to increase their total, just in case they do get all out? Then Sri Lanka would still have to chase some sort of a target, and they might run out of time. Or would that be plain suicidal?



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares


    I was wrong; in addition, West Indies declared on 790/3 against Pakistan in 1958, and Sri Lanka declared on 713/3 against Zimbabwe in 2004. There could be more but it's unlikely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    It's all going south. 5 down already and we haven't even got to lunch. Really thought we stood a good chance of a draw.

    Not many who post almost 500 in a first innings and go onto to lose but we can be added to that stat.

    Hoping for a nice mid wicket stand and a bit of rain. Anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Struggling at 112/5, but the overnight batsmen are both not out, strange one, Balbirnie was hit by a ball and retired hurt, then Stirling (1), Tucker (13) and Campher (12) were all dismissed before Balbernie resumed and rejoined Harry Tector who is 27* Balbirnie 28* and trailing by 100



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Balbirnie out for 46, bad shot 143/6, 69 behind, Tector still batting, need to get in front and bat on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    There are 57 overs left, but if they take another 20 to get in front, there will be 2 deducted for the change of innings, and there is also a possibility of bad light later, say they bat 40 overs and score 100, they could have a lead and time will be running out. Hopefully keep at it for now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Mcbrine out now, all down to Tector because there are only 3 rabbits left, looking grim 159/7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Hume out for a duck, just stood there and waited to die, should have thrown the bat, might get a lead then, 161/8, crumbling again



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  • Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭wicorthered


    All ending in a bit of a wimper!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter




  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares


    It's the edge that got Hume out that's perplexing me (and I couldn't even see it in the replay). I don't watch much cricket, so in order to just defend wickets and not worry about scoring runs, wouldn't it be better to just angle the bat to deflect every ball, every single ball, into the ground and just stand your ground? What's the risk?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Like flies heading for a spiders web, text Tector couldn't get a single or a boundary, the tail enders will end up facing too many balls, pity but the top order failed again, and the bowlers went at a crazy run rate, I'm still hoping for a draw, but not likely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Redundant now, but that scenario would have been a draw. We'd have to take all 10 SL wickets to win before they passed our lead or time ran out. It's not like limited overs cricket. That's why we were in a very weak position and the only possible tactic was to bat resolutely for an honourable draw.

    Disappointing alright, despite building a few timely partnerships in the 1st innings, we're just falling now and there's nowhere to hide.

    I suppose positives from this match are our 1st innings total and Harry Tector's resolve in this innings. Balbirnie batted well overall but unnecessary shot lost him his wicket a while back. And he's the captain and must have seen the need to just stay put.

    Negatives are our bowling, little penetration of threat and the SL bowlers are showing that's not just down to the wicket.

    You'd have thought that a near 500 total in our first innings was giving us a chance of a victory and the great likelihood of a draw, but sadly no.

    The most telling part I thought was SL choosing to bat on yesterday just so Mathews could pick up another ton. They knew the measure of us and that they could take their time. Not over yet of course but it'd be great escape of all time to get out of this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    It's a one or the other situation, you don't defend with the edge of the bat, play straight and defend with the full face, it's about positive intent, you have to be positive in defense as well as attack, Tector on the charge now, trying to establish a lead, defecit now only 25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,595 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Tector seems determined to make SL bat again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Sad end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    Well that was tough. I don’t know if anyone had an innings loss on their bingo card after we posted 492 in the first.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    How many teams almost hit 500 and then go on to lose by an innings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭selwyn froggitt


    It's happened to England a few times where they have hit 400+



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Bangladesh lost to New Zealand a few years ago after making 595/8d, New Zealand got 539, Bangladesh 160 all out & New Zealand 217/3. By an innings? Probably none



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Apparently it may be a new record, a dubious one. I suppose another positive to salvage is that we played near enough 5 full days on the trot, bar a few hours lost to rain. So valuable experience in that regard. Fair dues to Tector in this innings and hopefully we can hold onto him as a player unlike others of his calibre in the past. A pity we hadn't a few more yesterday and today with his resolve and skill.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Highest first innings score to result in an innings defeat according to the cricinfo live score anyway



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Balbirnie also had a very good game (and I've been very critical of him in the past, so fair play)

    What bugs me more than the weak batting there is the huge scoring rate they had, its supposed to be test cricket after all. I didn't get to watch the game but how were the field settings?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Very disappointed for Tector. Overall better, largely due to winning the toss. Despite the first innings being put into perspective it was still nice to see a response and happy for the lads that made their hundreds.

    To be honest, it would be a terrible reflection on Sri Lankan cricket and the overall health of the game outside the so called Big Three really if Ireland rocked up in their backyard and pushed them close. I might never see Ireland win a series there and that wouldn’t be the end of the world.

    Looking at the future tours program for a realistic test to try and win, I see Zimbabwe later this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,962 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The great effort in the first innings really pushed expectations to the point where a draw was eminently possible / likely.

    then we end up loosing with over a session remaining. It’s the hope that kills ya.

    A seriously sorry looking scorecard too in the second innings

    This is key : One solitary half century and…. only a single other batsman scoring more than…. 20 ! Seriously conservative strike rates aswell so it wasn’t throwing the bat and them getting unlucky.

    as much credit they were due for scoring 492 in the first innings…scoring 202 in the second…..that’s not nearly good enough…. You have to perform over each inning. These one off big flash in the pan scores are useless unless you back them up… even a 320 in the second would have saved us.

    im only now going to look for the post match media but…. I’m sure Balbernie will be scuttering out of him about it being a ‘learning curve’ and how they’ll take the experience as a valuable lesson but he’s ‘overall’ happy how the tour went…well maybe not, there doesn’t seem to be any reaction covered by print or online media but will be interesting never the less if he does give thoughts. Nothing on sports sites or cricket Irelands social media.

    strange… you expect some reaction from the captain, win lose or draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I haven't seen much of it but surely the issue in this match was the bowling. 200 all out on the final day out a test match isn't particularly unusual, giving up 700 runs for only 3 wickets is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,962 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Well let’s be honest, both were contributing to the result… Sri Lanka probably would have scored 900 plus runs, maybe 1000 runs had they not decided to declare.

    not taking wickets and batsmen failing in the second innings killed us….



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    With such a small selection pool to chose from, Ireland simply don't have enough good players and they can only try and paper over those large cracks.

    Stirling is certainly a class player, albeit more of a white ball player. Harry Tector is a potential world class player and Tucker has come on in leaps and bounds in the past year. Balbirnie and McBrine are solid/average international players who will have the occasional good days and mostly bad days. Campher will stay going day in and day out for you and after that then you are scraping the barrel with regards the eleven today.

    What you would like is Ireland to have a few home tests in their own conditions to give themselves the best chance. The costs associated with this though mean that a home test match is further away than ever and this makes it hard to do anything.

    You do fear the Lords test match at the beginning of June that if Ireland can't take wickets, that loads of records could be broken. Hopefully Little and Adair will be back for that which could give them something to think about but at this moment in the time, the bowling stocks are bare.



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