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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2023 ( Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,943 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If teams go with a 2 man full forward line he is free to move round because Limerick trust their full backs to win it man to man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    As good a performance Waterford had on Sunday i think Cork will beat them this weekend. Home match with an extra weeks preperation and freshness i see Cork are 1/2 favs. Moral victories no good for any teams points are badly needed to get out of Munster. I can see Waterford and Clare both on zero points on Sunday evening. It really is an unforgiving environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,943 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Lohan has some tough decisions ahead. Does he make changes after Sunday or even can he make changes.

    Waterford have already lost a "home" game as well and their next one against Clare probably won't feel like a home game either.

    If the weekend goes to form that game in Thurles becomes a knockout fixture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I didn't see the game or watch it yet and maybe this is harsh, but this isn't the first time a Davy team has failed to get over the line against 14 men. So, he should have had a gameplan for that. Now, maybe, Davy did have a gameplan that put put Waterford players in a position, creating chances, to win and the players didn't take the chance. Or maybe it was a case of Kiely and co getting Limerick over the line with a gameplan. But, surely, the onus has to fall on the management with the advantage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭MfMan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,943 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I just don't think Davy copes well with going on the front foot. Cant make the mindset switch required from being very defensive when they go a man up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq



    Bad wides certainly played a part.

    But pucking down long ball going for goals from 50 mins on was bizarre.

    Everytime they played a few passes they had a clear shot on goal so it has to go on the management ultimately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    If both games go to form this weekend and two home wins the Waterford v Clare game in Thurles becomes must win for both. The losers would be eliminated and the winner would still have to win their last game. If it's Waterford who win they will play Tipp in Thurles or if it's Clare they play Cork in Ennis in their final game. Both winnable. So a lot may ride on that Waterford v Clare game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Funny how the talk before the championship was that no team was going to out point limerick and they were going to have to score lots of goal yet in the first game they were out pointed.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Still won though. Getting over the line, no matter what the circumstances, is it the most important factor in sport?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I know but alot of the previews were mentioning limerick won't be out pointed all season yet 1 game in and it's already happened.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    In Limerick's five Munster championship matches last year i think they were out-pointed twice and had the same points total in Munster final (before it went to extra time). So add that to their first game in this years Munster championship they've only out-pointed the opposition in two of last six championship games. Doesn't stop them winning, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    What happened Declan Hannon?

    Will be be recovered for Saturday?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,943 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This "you need goals to beat Limerick" was just a lazy media line that gained traction.

    One of the reasons they are the best is because they are versatile and can mix up how they play. They will kill you with points if you stand off in midfield and on the half back line. Put push up and they can do you from the full forward line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    There is breezy, and in fact there is no rule that mentions a head injury at all - I appreciate that you are new to the sport and that such rules exist in other popular sports such as Soccer and Rugby.

    The GAA rule is as follows;

    5 INJURIES (a) Injuries: General - Play shall not be stopped for injury to a player, except in exceptional circumstances to enable a seriously injured player to be treated on the field or removed from the field of play. All other Injuries shall be treated off the field of play.

    I would think that TDB's injury fits that category, wouldn't you?

    Not for one second am I blaming the referee btw, there is no way he could have known and if he were to blow the whistle every time someone fell to the ground it would be farcical. Waterford had three subsequent chances to clear it so no excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,212 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    The ironic thing is that if the ref is not 100% certain that it's a handpass then he's supposed to blow for a throw!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    You'd imagine there's going to be a lot more reviewed than just this instance:

    The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee [CCCC] will review Séamus Flanagan's collision with Waterford's Stephen Bennett when they meet this week.

    RTÉ Sport understands no decision has yet been reached on the incident, which saw the Limerick full-forward make a high challenge late in the first half on the Déise man, his shoulder colliding with Bennett's jaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    When will the length of Flanagan's ban be announced?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101



    Scientific paper recommends heavier punishment for hits to head in hurling (irishexaminer.com)

    A 2023 study into concussion in elite hurling has recommended the GAA take more stringent action against “blind side” hits to the head.

    The paper, which was published in the “Irish Journal of Medical Science”, proposed heavier sanctions for the dangerous fouls. It also found impacts to the lateral (side) of the head were 2.7 times more likely to result in visible signs of concussion than those to the anteroposterior areas (front and back).

    Analysing 82 inter-county hurling games across 2018 and ‘19, 183 potential concussion events (PCEs) were identified by author Mario Rotundo of Ulster University. Shoulder-to-head impacts produced “visible signs of concussion” in 14 of 37 such cases (37.8%), head-to-head impacts in eight of 23 cases (34.8%) and three of 35 hurley to head cases (8.6%).

    In Thurles last Sunday, two hurley strikes to the head, one by Barry Nash and the other by Stephen Bennett, were deemed yellow cards, while referee Liam Gordon adjudged Seamus Flanagan’s late shoulder to Bennett’s head in the first half did not warrant a free or a card, believing it to be accidental in real time.

    That challenge occurred just two minutes after Nash had made contact with Bennett’s head. As a result of Gordon addressing the incident at the time, the Central Competitions Control Committee were not in a position to propose a retrospective suspension for Flanagan.

    Rotundo’s study concludes “players appear to be at a higher risk of SRC (sport-related concussions) later in the match or when receiving the sliotar.” It adds: “Strikes to the lateral aspect of the head and those involving the shoulder appear to produce severe events. These findings provide initial guidance for the development of targeted player protection strategies.” 

    One of them is to hand down heavy sanctions for the blind blows, when the receiving player has a poor view of the imminent challenge or is not able to anticipate it. “The league (GAA) might consider implementing more severe penalties, especially for "blind-side" hits to the lateral aspect of the head, to encourage players to be more deliberate with their tackles.” 

    Players, coaches and referees all have a part to play, the study advises. “Players should be taught from an early age that hits to the head, especially from the side on an unsuspecting opponent, can cause severe brain injury.

    “Referees might approach high-risk situations with a heightened awareness and have a lower threshold for issuing fouls and cards if necessary. In training, coaches should emphasise ‘heads up’ play and situational awareness, especially when receiving a pass in the centre of the pitch or when carrying the sliotar into the face of the goal.

    “The aptly-named “heads up” style of play has been a fixture in ice hockey coaching for many years, which fortunately provides an existing framework that could likely be adapted to hurling.” 

    The research revealed shoulder-to-head impacts were 6.5 times more likely to result in a severe PCE than a hurley-to-head contact. “For the purposes of player protection, it is helpful to know that shoulders tend to produce severe PCEs. This raises an important question: are shoulder-to-head impacts more dangerous due to the region of the head that they tend to affect?” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,953 ✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Referee Liam Gordon didn't simply didn't see Flanagan's late, high and dangerous shoulder on Bennett, it happened so quickly and in a fairly crowded area. If he did, it was a straight red. Few would have argued. So Gordon did the next best option that was available, he contacted the nearest linesman to the incident and probably the only other official who had any chance of seeing what happened. No point in asking the 4 umpires who were 100 metres away. Obviously the linesman gave his tuppence worth, whatever that was. He possibly was partly unsighted too so both decided to continue with a free to Waterford for O'Donoghue throwing the ball after being floored by the same collision. If a VAR system was available to Gordon, Flanagan was off, simple as.

    The rule where retrospective action is not taken because an incident was "dealt with" at the time is a farce and needs to change, especially for high or dangerous tackles. Every county has benefited from it up to now. Every county, big and small.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Really? How did they clear him it should have been a definite red.

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  • All the one now. Named at full forward for Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Where other than the independent did you hear that hannon was out for a while? Genuine question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Boards, online & podcasts

    What was wrong with him in the last game as he couldn't have recovered from a groin injury that quick?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    No one from the Limerick camp came out as said it was his groin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


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