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10kWh LifePO4 DIY Battery Addition..... Here is my write up.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    How do you know then using a load tester when it's actually "empty", i.e. when to stop the test.

    Plugged in the other one to test there, MM reading 5.3 when it starts running drops to 1.6



  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭munsterfan2


    The atorch tester I use has a setting for cut-off voltage which I would always set at 2.6v. 5.3v is definitely incorrect. ( Was that a typo for 3.5v ? ) See the capacity chart vs voltage below ( dont think this is necessarily 100% accurate but good enough )




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    Nice one. Ya sorry getting all confused here. 3.5

    Will sus out about the cutoff voltage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    In your third pic the voltage is showing as 0.67V? I know these cheap battery capacity testers under read the voltage (so under read the capacity) but did you check the actual voltage of the cell at that stage? What minimum setting did you program into the tester, zero volt? 😮 If a LiFePO4 cell goes below 2.5V it is getting damaged.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    Ya my issue is that I don't know what the true voltage is during a test. Drops way off as soon as I start the test.

    This is also an expensive learning process for me I guess, not sure how to put the minimum setting in, also how does the device know what the true voltage is, does it stop every so often and check?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    No, it bases it on the voltage that you can see displayed. Which is indeed subject to a voltage drop as soon as you apply a 20A current. Will Prowse has a good video of how to program the damn thing





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    So I’ve put in the voltage etc testing again there. Problem is voltage drops below 2.6 if I increase the current over 10a??


    does that mean the battery is knackered?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    If the cell is fully charged when you start testing and with just 10A (or even the max 20A the tester can do) it drops almost straight away to 2.6V, then yes the cell is knackered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    Reading 3.3 at the battery, tester saying 2.6


    do I need thicker cables?



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You measure 3.3V at the battery itself and 3.3V at the terminals of the tester at the same time as the tester shows 2.6V?

    If that's the case, the tester is faulty. Nothing to do with your cables



  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭spose


    I think you need to reboot the me3000 to clear that error. Connect it to a laptop and go in to the history log. Will see what cell alarmed low



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    So battery 3.3 other end of cable 2.6

    what kind of cables do I need?



  • Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭_dof_


    Do you mean to connect the Seplos to the laptop to read its history log or connect the me3000 to a laptop? Don't know how to connect laptop to the me3000 except using the logger wifi.



  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭spose


    To the seplos. Did you get a USB adapter with it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭randombar


    match up when there is no load, don't match when there is a load.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Well try bigger cables for sure, but those flimsy terminals on the tester can't take that much of a cable, been there, done that. Try to fit as thick and short a cable as you can. Also before you test, make sure your cell is charged up to 3.65V and taking no more current.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I used 10mm2 when top balancing at 10amps and still noticed some voltage drop



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    You guys know this space better than I.

    While I know that tester maxes out at 20amp, I think doing a 50+ amp test and looking at voltage drop would be more appropriate. Assuming a 3kw draw (ME3000 limit) and 16 cells, your looking at 190 watts per cell. At 3.4v you'll need to be drawing down ~55amps to get that kind of power. It's a fair real world loading that the cell would experience and have to take.

    Still though if the 20amp draw shows up issues, then no hope for the larger 50amp load I guess.

    Makes me want to play with this stuff :-)



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah if the voltage was sagging that much at the cell it would be a big issue.

    What's going on is that there is a (relatively) large voltage drop across the cables.

    You would have the me3000 connected to the bank with 10 or 16mm2 cable.

    The better testers have 2 sets of cables, one set to draw a load and the other just to measure the voltage of the cell itself.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Also wiring of the neeeeeeeey




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Talking about voltage drop

    These are the 16 cells in my battery. (4p)

    Can you see where I hit it with a 6kw load?, And when that load finishes and returns to 300-400w. Went from 85% to 35% ish.

    Because I'm in a 4p at full load I'm hitting the cells with about a 30amp load

    It's being charged at about 2kw now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I'm 6P now, so about 800-900Ah usable given the CALBs aren't quite the full advertised capacity. While I can still see a voltage drop when people put a heavy load on (think kettle + oven + washing machine + rest of house), I no longer worry about it 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭darraghsherwin


    Has anybody else had issues with getting their batteries delivered from oye Store?

    I ordered two batches of 16 cells 4 days apart, I had to collect the first batch from the DPD warehouse as they could not deliver them due to "lack of a manifest", according to DPD.

    oye Store says about the other batch, "Hi friend, your parcel has been withdrawn. Please contact DPD to urge delivery. Local Contact number: +353 1 424 3918"

    Has anyone else had this issue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭soram


    Hi Guys,

       Firstly, I hope it is OK to post this here but please feel free to move. I thought it was a bit relevant to this discussion. I've been following the thread for many months but I thought I'd try out the LiFePOs on my camper first before jumping in to a full home install as I already have a 5kW Soluna.

    So based on the recommendations I ordered 4 x 200Ah CALB cells from PWOD. I also got a JK active balancer BMS from elsewhere.

    So the cells arrived a week or so ago. One had brown stains on the base and some dust still in the crevices. It measured a bit lower in voltage that the other three out o the box. I charged them anyway and left them a few days on the balancer. We used it in the camper but the BMS shut it down with nominally 40% left. Damn I thought so based on here I borrowed a bench power supply and charged all four individually up to 3.65V and 0 current. I then put a 10Amp load on and took the voltage readings from them all every hour. The BMS shut everything down again at 35% with three cells reading very close to 3.15V but the other was down to 2.5V. So unless I am doing something very silly the cell is, as I feared, not great. 

    I've been on to PWOD all week and they reply promptly but their suggestion to me was a link to buy a new cell. As it is single it is almost double the price I paid.

    I will be disputing the order but was wondering if anybody had any advice about how best to do this? What language to use or points to note. I will then have to make a decision on whether to buy a single one or maybe just sell the 3 good ones and buy 280Ah for a bigger battery elsewhere if there is a market for 3 cells here.

    Apologies for coming in to the thread cold with this and as I said please feel free to move or delete as appropriate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭hexosan


    Is there a current up to date shopping list for what’s needed for a battery set up.

    Any recommendations (links) on batteries from Ali or nkon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭_dof_


    Thanks, was away for a while, but I've reconfigured the cells as parallel and top balanced them, while at the same time I had disconnected the seplos cables and measured the resistance from each pin of the white and black seplos connectors to the ring terminal of each one. Note, I had soldered on extensions to the wires and then crimped the ring terminal onto that wire, so I was measuring the resistance of the original wire, the solder connection, the extension wire and the crimp ring terminal.

    All of the wires came in at around .3 to .4 ohms, except one which came in around .8 to .9 ohms. So, I resoldered and got it to measure .4 Ohms too.

    I reconnected everything back to 16s2p again and turned on the seplos with the laptop connected, and cell 1 was still reporting lower voltage than the others, and when I turned on the Sofar to discharge, it caused shutdown of the seplos again and gave the Low Voltage alarm in the Sofar again.

    I saved the History Log, so hopefully that can help to diagnose the problem, it's available at

    I'd appreciate any advice thanks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭spose


    Pretty much identical failure I had. Always cell 1 or 2 dropping to 0 or 0.2v with no reason. Finally resolved by cleaning battery terminals and bus bars with wire brush drill bit and adding copper conductive paste to each when redoing the connections. Running no problem for months now



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