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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Agreed.

    I thought Jack Willis caused Ireland a lot of problems in the Grand Slam game, until they figured out it was better to keep charging at him, forcing him to tackle, thus not giving him the opportunity to poach.

    Hope we see something similar tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Serbian


    Ah like we're definitely favourites, but Toulouse are an excellent team, it's hardly unreasonable to think that the team named could come to Dublin and win. They destroyed Sale in the groups and the Bulls and the Sharks in the knockouts. I'd take some heart from their inability to put Munster away convincingly, but Munster are a team that have always been difficult to beat in Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Maybe its the fact Leinster are missing 3 guaranteed starters. In Lowe, Sexton and Henshaw.

    Toulouse have a massive pack which has been Leinster achilles heal the last few years and Toulouse have a significantly better starting 9 and 10 than Leinster do.

    Its a 50/50 game. I doubt there will be more than a score in it either way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I expect them to put him on dedicated poach duty though the same way Leicester did with Reffell in the opening half (and it was going ok, too). Meafou is no slouch in that area either. He's not a groundhog but, similar to someone like Skelton, if he gets over the ball, you're not moving him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,476 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I would still be quite confident of knocking Toulouse out but certainly its not a foregone conclusion.

    Larmour has been on fantastic form this year and is a more-than-adequate replacement for Lowe. We've gotten this far in the competition with Ross Byrne at the helm so whilst Sexton (who's only played 21 minutes in the HC this year) is obviously a 'loss', Ross Byrne can do the business.

    Put simply, if we lose tomorrow it'll not be because of those three absences.

    But I think we've more than enough to win tomorrow.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is going to be absolutely titanic. Game for the ages potential.

    After losing to Ireland in the six nations, this is a good opportunity for quite a bit of the French team to turn over quite a bit of the Irish team with the world cup just around the corner, and looking at how Toulouse have built up for this one I suspect there is a lot of pressure there for a performance beyond just the local support base.

    There is virtually nothing between the teams but Toulouse the slightly stronger outfit on paper, home advantage is a plus but Toulouse will have plenty of travelling support. Ngatai coming in from the cold is a worry and missing Sexton - Henshaw at 10 / 12 is significant.

    Can't call it, this is going to be amazing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    In my humble opinion, I would definitely have had Doris at 8 to be honest ,his ability is negated at 6



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    They could win if Leinster don't show up, if Leinster show up and play well they should and will have too much. They didnt destroy Sale (away) or the Sharks, they were both within 10 points with 10 minutes to go. Yes they were the better side in both matches but I didnt see anything in those matches or the Munster ones to make me think they can come to Dublin and win especially considering their last 3 visits the lowest they lost by was 13 points, based on the results this season I dont see how they are any better than those sides. Bar destroying Leinster up front the way Bulls did, I dont think they have the pack to do what La Rochelle did, is the only way I can see them winning unless Leinster just have a complete **** show.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    I mean yes that's all true but the main issue is they dont have naturals in these areas, I think they are going down the England 2016/2017 route where they dont have many specialist's but they have a pack where the majority of players are at least decent in this area that they'll do well enough at the breakdown to manage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Having gotten over my initial disappointment at Henshaws absence, it's clear that both sides aren't picking from a full deck. Toulouse are missing Faumuina, Tolofua and Jelonch up front. They still have a lot of huge forwards in the 23, but the absence of those 3 is notable.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    If Meafou gets over the ball just release it and tackle him once he takes possession. Waste of time and energy trying to clear him out and it's better tackle him before he picks up speed



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    That might mean Toulouse wont lose by 20 points. It doesn't mean it suddenly swings the game in their favour, past results and current form combined with home advantage suggests Leinster are at least 10-15 points the better side.

    I might be suffering from amnesia or something but isn't this the same big Toulouse pack that had little impact last season and ended up losing by 23 points? Even Munster were able to compete with Toulouse upfront...simply being big doesn't make you a strong pack as last years fixture proved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I think JOB is the replacement for Lowe rather than Larmour. The former has a pretty similar skillset to JL. Comfortable at stepping off his wing to become a secondary playmaker nearer to midfield. Lowe is the better player, but we should still be able to play to the same strategy. He'll slot into the 11 shirt. He's definitely quicker than Lowe, but doesn't have the same strength in contact or kicking distance.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Yeah when they went down the route of playing Flament at 7 I was convinced it was being Marchand was as 2 as it pretty much negates the downside of not having a natural 7 (I know France play their 6 at 7 and vice versa but Willis isnt really a natural 7 either, more of a 6.5). The way the Toulouse pack has been named it seems to be an all or nothing selection, either it will work and they will overpower Leinster or it wont and they will get exposed badly.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,801 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Toulouse are missed game changers themselves in jelenuch, capuozzo and jaminet though.

    Theirv back line is incredibly settled though, so we just give them no easy comfortable ball or they can do so much damage.

    I do think Leinster are better from the bench, significantly so, so I hope things are at least at parity with 20 to go



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree that the Leinster bench looks stronger , with the exception of Marchand I think each Leinster player is more impactful than the Toulouse equivalent.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,801 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Leinster haven't played anyone yet on this competition that are anywhere even close to toulouse so previous displays in the competition this year is irrelevant in my opinion.

    They one thing that I think Leinster have going is that I don't actually think this Toulouse team is better, or is playing better, than last season. They concede A LOT of points and rely on their attack to overcome opposition. I don't see Leinster conceding 30 points tomorrow. The loss of sexton, henshaw and Lowe certainly is a blow, but had we also been down VDF and Baird, and had JOB at 13 with Garry at 12, I'd have been severely more worried.

    I think the current leinster by 6 spread that the bookies have is about right



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Last season that pack played (in consecutive weekends): Ulster at home, Ulster away, Toulon away, La Rochelle at home, Munster in Dublin and Leinster in Dublin.

    This year, they were all rested last weekend and only five of the starting team started the previous week. They're completely concentrating on this fixture. They have their T14 spot sewn up at this point so can just focus on Europe for the coming weeks. You cannot underestimate the impact of losing Sexton, Henshaw and Lowe either. They were all key players in last year's game. The backs cannot gel magically to the same level on either side of the ball.

    Leinster are favourites deservedly but this is probably a one score game either way. The weather forecast isn't going to help Leinster either with rain forecast across the afternoon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    He's on the bench and back fit. I imagine they've decided to stick with Mauvaka because of his size and power. Marchand is superb but he's also a great leader for them and they'll be happy to have him on the field in the closing 20-30 minutes if the game is in the balance.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I don't actually think this Toulouse team is better, or is playing better, than last season.

    I can’t say I’ve seen much of them outside of Europe, but were they not down in around 6th in the Top 14 last season when they played Munster and Leinster in the Aviva?

    They’re top this season. Could be wrong but my impression was they were in better form this year.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I think they're in far better form this year. Even key players, like Romain Ntamack is playing far better rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Toulouse have gone as big as possible. Probably trying to do what La Rochelle did last season and suffocate Leinster.

    This might be a misread if them but I don't associate their style of rugby with La Rochelle's. I wonder will they be as effective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    I might forgive that in a close game, the fact is the game wasnt even remotely close. Worth noting those previous weeks that they were run close by Ulster & Munster and were probably quite fortunate to even be in the SF so while they may have been tired to some degree I think the signs that they were going to lose heavily were there for quite a while.

    I don't underestimate the losses, it probably prevents this being more than a 20 point Leinster win. The fact is all the previous games were supposed to be a "one score game" and they all ended up being comfortable Leinster win's and I dont really see what has changed this season to make this any different to those ones.

    The weather is probably going to hurt Toulouse even more as they rely alot more throwing the ball around whereas Leinster have a far more adaptable pack.

    I feel alot of people are highlighting every single weakness Leinster have and are ignoring all of Toulouse's quite conveniently, Idk for what purpose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    La Rochelle are just a much better pack than Toulouse, yes Toulouse have a monster pack but that La Rochelle pack is imo the most complete pack in European rugby. You've got power with the likes of Skelton but you also got quality ball players in Alderitt and Botia who are both excellent on the deck aswell. I question anyone that think's Toulouse will do what La Rochelle if they have ever actually watched Toulouse's pack play?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Yup, and that was a big issue for them last season. Their form earlier in the season last year was patchy so they found themselves struggling post-6N. Because of that, they were sending out front liners every week to face teams kicking lumps out of them. They didn't even have the luxury of putting out a weakened team away from home in the T14 as they needed every point at that stage.

    Two weeks before Munster (and a week after Ulster), they travelled to Toulon.

    Marchand, Aldegheri, Meafou, Arnold, Elstadt and Jelonch all started in their pack, again the following week against La Rochelle, again the following week against Munster (aside from Jelonch who was on the bench) and again the following week against Leinster (with Jelonch starting again).

    They were exhausted and compounded it by playing stupid tactics against Leinster and actually trying to keep the ball on the field.

    They've managed their squad far more sensibly this season and rotated more. They've brought in guys like Willis, Brennan, Roumat, Placines and Ntamack Jnr. to make sure their front liners are being used more sparingly.

    If they use the same tactics as last season, I think they'll definitely come off second best again but that selection points to a very different approach. We can definitely get after them in the back line but that's why Lowe and Henshaw are going to be big losses. There's a lot riding on Ngatai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Better? Yes

    Much better? Ive yet to be convinced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'm thinking the same. Ngati hasn't played in months. I'd have gone with Frawley.



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