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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Government spending at a time when we have full employment and chronic labour shortages in key areas like all building trades - this will only cause further inflation.

    Government spending should be counter cyclical - save during the good times, spend in the downturns. Otherwise you just inflate the bubbles and are broke when they pop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Money supply drying up in the US at record pace, not a great sign given past history.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭limnam


    I don't know the ins and outs of the deal with BOI staff.

    Was it only the BOI staff that were covered?

    Did new people hired get covered by union membership?

    Did they recognize it any BU in HP outside of the BOI staff?

    Has any other BU since then in HP recognized unions?

    Was it part of the contract when they took over?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,976 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    No, for the left, there is never a bad time to spend other people's money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Main reason is the lack of finance availability.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    France, Spain and Italy all increased GDP by quite a bit.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US government in urgent talks to save First republic bank 3 days after saying they would not get involved. It must be Friday.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    But many of the options proposed - including selling assets or the creation of a "bad bank"

    😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Seems our tech boom may be slowing down. Think pharma is still flying it n might take up the slack hopefully

    https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-jobs-arent-coming-back-2023-4



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    German inflation down a bit more than expected. It's going to take a while to get to 2% at this rate.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Shares halted. Looks like the 2nd biggest bank failure in US history.



    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Has the global economic system collapsed yet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Sobering reading below for Ireland, especially with an election to be bought next year!

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/27/ireland-economy-taxes-jobs-apple-us-tech-companies-eu/



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭GerUpOttaTa


    And yet we haven't a journalist worth his/her salt to ask the tough questions about his frankly insane policy.

    It's not like this windfall of cash is improving the lives of our citizens either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    In fairness, the Government has been pretty prudent with its economic policy over the last decade in terms of spending and trying not to go on a spending splurge with corporation tax receipts. You mention the 'frankly insane policy' - what do you expect the Government to do though? Discourage inward investment, tell multinational companies to go elsewhere? It's like saying we should stay poor to insulate us from economic turbulence that may or may not happen in the future.

    Covid was obviously an exception and not unique to Ireland in terms of Government spending, and last year’s budget was a departure from the previous budgets over the last decade in terms of Government spending and extension of social welfare supports - but again not exactly unique to Ireland.

    The forthcoming budget will really tell a lot whether prudent economic policy prevails, or whether the Government starts to go down the road of giveaway budgets.

    The budget surplus should be spent on huge State infrastructure projects which will have a lasting benefit to the country over the coming decades, and support employment over the next decade which will inevitably coincide with an economic slowdown at some stage. The easier thing to do would be to spend it on the likes of large social welfare increases for a short-term political benefit.

    The budget surplus is projected to exceed €65bn over the next three years. Metro Link is expected to cost €9bn in total. Imagine how much we could improve infrastructure if the Government was ambitious enough, while also investing in the likes of a renewed National Pensions Reserve Fund.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not really, more a matter of if they are in the domino chain or not. If not in the line they can fail if they in line they will be saved.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    Ahh. "Too Big to Fail" with extra steps. They should just let these banks fail already. Maybe they'll learn how to do business then.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    There are obviously a lot of potential issues that could face us over the years but this article is mainly focusing on the changes to corporation tax rules. While those changes will affect us in a big way, this article is making out that it will be like another 07/08 style event for us. Which I just don't see happening. Especially, given the following in the article.

    Driven by the windfall in corporate tax receipts, the Irish government’s budget surplus is expected to swell further, to 10 billion euros in 2023 and 16 billion euros in 2024. Relative to the size of the economy, this would be equivalent to a U.S. budget surplus of more than 1 trillion dollars in 2024.


    The Irish Department of Finance estimated in January that around half of Ireland’s corporate tax receipts—$10 billion—are “transitionary” and will be lost as the new tax rules are implemented. That translates to more than 10 percent of total government spending in 2022—more than the entire Irish education budget. This is putting the Irish government on the precipice of another financial disaster, little more than a decade after it had to be bailed out of impending bankruptcy by the European Commission, European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund. That disaster left Ireland with one of the highest per capita public debt levels in the world.

    So this year we will have a 10b surplus and 16b next year and at some stage in the future corporation tax will drop by about 10b (the article says this in dollars which is about 9b euro). So our surplus can more than cover the drop but they liken it to the events that led to the EU/IMF bailout. It would be one thing if the government were insistant on throwing around the cash in ways that increase the annual budget such as massive tax cuts, public sector pay increases or welfare increase but they do seem to be aware that this won't last and are trying to be sensible with it by setting up things like a rainy day fun and paying down debt. I would rather they earmark it for house building and public transport projects though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Id like a 3 way split, pay down debt 30%, rainy day20% and infrastructure 50%esp hospital (the long awaites new hospital proposed for cork, upgrade ennis to help reduce pressures on limerick and galway), public transport such as upgrading rail routes and new stations in communter areas of our cities and housing



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It is not so easy as saying just let them fail and crack on with it. They are all connected to each other worldwide, one fails it may cause a problem for 10 banks and then that 10 may cause problems for 100. Already in just one month the assets of 4 failed banks are more than 500 bank failures in the 80's


    Then you get to the non banks or "shadow banks" which is far bigger. Insurance, investment funds, hedge funds, pension funds and who knows what else. Those are far less regulated but still all connected to each other also with astronomical amounts of risk involved if things went badly.

    Not saying all of it will crash but even 10% of it would cause carnage.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Ozark707




  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Antipathetic


    Shadow banking refers to the financial activities performed by non-bank financial institutions that operate outside of the traditional banking system. These institutions are also known as non-bank financial intermediaries and include hedge funds, investment banks, money market funds, and other financial entities that perform functions similar to banks, but without being subject to the same level of regulatory oversight.


    Shadow banking activities typically involve lending, borrowing, or investing in financial markets, and can be quite complex and opaque, making it difficult to understand their potential risks and impacts on the broader financial system. Some common examples of shadow banking activities include securitization of assets, derivatives trading, and repurchase agreements (repos).

    While shadow banking can provide benefits such as increased access to credit and more efficient allocation of capital, it can also pose risks to financial stability, especially during times of economic stress. The lack of regulatory oversight and transparency can lead to excessive risk-taking and can contribute to the amplification of financial shocks. As such, regulators and policymakers have increased their scrutiny of shadow banking activities in recent years in an effort to mitigate these risks.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Cheers, so would I be right in thinking if things went south in terms of shadow banking the effects would be felt in places where the taxpayer here would not be left holding the baby? Or is that just wishful thinking?



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