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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We will see,it wont be long now before the weather changes and the ground gets harder and the offensive can start

    I hope we will see fleeing Russians once again



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭GerUpOttaTa




  • Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Not just Excalibur rounds, Ukraine have proven more accurate with artillery than Russia. There's been reports of Ukraine firing just 1 shell to hit a target, like sniping with a 155mm round. Russia of course could have fire control on the parts they think Ukraine will attack. Ukraine could decide to attack just outside of artillery range, meaning the Russians have to move their artillery loosing fire control etc...

    Russia's tactic has been to pepper the area with indirect fire, it may work when your sieging a town/village but not really for defending. Buildings can't move, vehicles can.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Apart from the Ukrainians firing 7000 shells a day and being restricted at that and it more than Europe makes.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah and i guess russian artillery barrels are starting to see the end as well,and will effect the accuracy.

    Then again,with Ukrainain artillery and himars as well you will probably take out the russian artillery.

    There is the option of amphibious landings as well

    Ukraine also still have a few landing crafts they can use,atleast for sabotage groups and special forces units



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭zv2


    I don't think they are so stupid they have SFA plan. Also, the Russians are already running out of ammo and everything else. A lot depends on this coming counter offensive. Let's wait and see...

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Russia has also reduced the number of shells it fires daily, plenty of reports of shell shortages on the line. Not to mention they had to get 300k from Iran. Does that sound like Russia is also suffering from a shell shortage?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Print this out and send to Timmy so he can put on his wall as a reminder



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    According to the Ukrainians it takes nine Hits to a target when using drones, if Russia has counter drones that number it comes increase possibly multiples of nine to hit a target,

    The best artillery the Ukrainans has is the HiMars or m270s but like that limited ammunition could come into effect,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Russia had to go to Iran and North Korea for shells, Ukraine can get more from the West. Looking at it long term, which side can produce more?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Your not grasping the basics on the argument,

    It's well documented that if the Ukrainans don't make large gains during the counter offensive they could we end up in a position where international backers don't have the supplies or vehicles to keep a long offensive going,

    Here's simple one for you, ukraine were promised 1 million artillery rounds for the whole of 2023 ,were into may this week and Ukraine has only received a fraction of the 1 million shells promised I think 40,000 ,if they are going through 7000 shells rapidly how long do they have before those artillery strikes get restricted,they don't have unlimited aircover,so the thousands of new armoured vehicles including tanks and Ifvs will he heavily reliant on artillery to cover their advances the same applies to mass infantry movements,

    But before you mention nato and the eu France is currently blocking the production and purchasing of artillery and other ammunition,

    If Russia has more guns and more ammunition and can source more than nato can , what then ,

    Russia can still reduce cities to rubble with artillery and air strikes they are still dangerous no matter how incompetent there leadership is



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Point being Ukraine are more accurate with artillery than Russia is. The discussion was also around shell artillery and not rocket artillery.

    Did you ever post the picture of the 155mm dud shells supplied to Ukraine yet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Considering America has by far the most amount of Western tanks and the first Abram won't be arriving until September at the earliest shows Ukraine won't be running out of donated armour ever. As for air superiority they'll get that any year America decides they can get F16's. No shortage of Bradley's and other APC's either.


    The only shortage is artillery but both sides suffer with this.





  • Scandalous remarks by the Russian Embassy here re Finbarr Cafferkey. There's a threatening tone there as well. Time Mr Filatov was called in for a chat and then told to take the next flight home.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Over the next 2 years of the war. Russia will, hands down. It has the factories in place already but most importantly it has the will to produce them.a


    If the West was somewhat serious about it, they would blow the reds apart within months. If.


    In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.


    That a ficged up country like Russia can do ground and pound better than the entire West is not an endorsement of them, just a reflection on the tragedy of foreign policy in the West over 30 years.


    Winning for Russia is holding most of what they have. If that means a million dead and an economy in tatters, they'll take it.


    My approach is a much more muscular backing of Ukraine than seen to date or that would ever be tolerated by much of Western Europe.


    There is an epic amount of bs spoken in Western Europe about backing Ukraine but the reality is much harder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think people confuse Russia with the Soviet Union.

    In Soviet times, I'm sure they could mass produce pretty much anything, they done it with artillery and tanks, but this it's just Russia now.

    Where's all the modern tanks? The T-90 & T-14 are Russian tanks, I'm sure they can mass produce them yeah?

    No, they are dragging.... (checks history book) 70 year old soviet tanks out of the scrap yards.

    Artillery is great at a stalemate, where both sides are dug in and little movement, but (excluding the quick land grab in the first 2 months of the war, with less artillery used) Russia have gained **** all despite their artillery advantage. With (insert multiplier) x more artillery shells fired by Russia in the past 12 months. Russia gained 0.55% of Ukraine.... but Ukraine gained 8.13% back. (net Russian loss of 7.58%) So with all this artillery benefit.... how come Russia can't gain land?


    I certainly agree with the holding back of key weapon systems to Ukraine, ATACM's/Jets/Cluster munitions.... I'd even add in cruise missiles. Are the West waiting for Ukraine to fall or fail before they give them everything they need? Or afraid of it being seen as an escalation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭maebee



    "We do not know who Finbar Cafferkey was, except that for whatever reason he was fighting in a foreign land"

    Disgraceful comment from the Embassy of Russia in Ireland to our Tánaiste. It would be great if Micheál Martin would ask the Embassy of Russia why his country is fighting in a foreign land.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    UKR Panzer fists being assembled. Not long to go…..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You’re missing the basic fact Ukraine will not give in. What then? They keep going.

    This may mean the war goes on another 2+ years, but Ukraine will not give in.

    Russia (who even you eventually grasped) don’t have infinite weapons, but if they continue to shell civilian populations, Ukraine will not give in.

    If this fact is too boring for you, and you lose ‘internet points’ there’s nothing you can do about it. Ukraine will not give in.

    If Ukraine don’t progress as much as Gatling thinks they should during this offensive Ukraine will not give in.

    You are also making another basic mistake, you think Putin will be happy to accept a peace deal (assuming Ukraine will 🙄) based on keeping what he has taken, what makes you think he’s that rational?

    So, I’d like to finish by reminding you, Ukraine will NOT give in.

    If this still isn’t sinking in you might go back to that old teacher tactic… write out ‘Ukraine will not give in’ 1,000 times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    F16s won't give them air superiority not even close ,

    It will give them great multirole strike aircraft if they ever get them ,but even the Americans said recently the Ukrainans list of most wanted equipment modem jets barely make the top 10 list , despite various claims by various sources, pilots will take time to train proficiently in all aspects of the aircraft and it's various weapon's and sensors ,

    It's not to take 10-14 days it will months possibly a year and that before you train maintenance crews to keep the jets in the sky , Western aircraft such as the f16/18s, typhoons take serious time to maintain,and that's before the Russian anti aircraft systems including manpads have to be avoided,so far other the the HARM /wild weasle missions the Ukrainian airforce have been restricted to flying low level and volley firing unguided rockets , because they are susceptible to Russian air defenses and manpads,

    Where the Russians are Able to fly into the blacksea and Crimea and lunch various missles and glide bombs from 70+km to over 100 +km away,

    Russia still has hundreds of aircraft including medium and heavy bombers yes Russian pilots are pretty **** but they are still a danger that the Ukrainans haven't been able to neutralise



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If Putin decides to escalate to nuclear level's you can be guaranteed he'll go for a Chernobyl 2.0 in the south with Zaporozhye. Won't cause anywhere near the western reaction dropping an actual nuke would and they'll claim the Ukrainians were equally to blame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There was a photo released recently showing hundreds of impacts from 155 artillery in but no craters from detonations .

    Did you ever post that photo?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not what I said at all ,

    They were promised 1 million shells for the the whole of 2023 we're 5 months in and they have only received 40,000 shells, France has blocked production and purchasing of shells for ukraine,

    If they had 1 million shells ready to go they would be a great position but they only have a fraction of that,

    While there is claims they fire less thats going to have to change for the coming counter offensive, you cant have mass movement of men and vehicles with no aircover without massive artillery barrages to protect them as they move forward, because the Russian run artillery at timea no stop around the clock,

    If you can't counter that artillery men and vehicles out in the open will face the exact same problem the Russians faced at Vuhledar and bakhmut crossing open ground and getting anilated with artillery



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If you read the actual post the I replied to jmreire made ,

    I made no reference to Ukrainan dud 155 artillery,

    Zero reference to Ukrainan artillery,

    The Post that was referred to was discussing Russians issues .


    Embarrassed or what



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Just strange you reference a photo being recently released showing 155mm shells not detonating on a thread about a war in Ukraine, which also use 155mm shells which Russia don't use, with zero reference made to the photo not being related to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @[Deleted User] You’re missing the basic fact Ukraine will not give in. What then? They keep going.

    You need a hell of a lot of weapons and ammunition to keep going, former Soviet countries have emptied their stocks of older equipment and vehicles,they were promised 1 million artillery shell and in 5 months only received 40,000 ,

    I understand the Ukrainans better than you , take off the blinkers and look around in the real world, inflation is hitting every country in Europe and further afield, unfortunately sooner or later if the Ukrainans don't make substantial gains,they could end up in real trouble with a long drawn out frozen conflict only where Russia occupies 15% percent of Ukraine instead of Donbas and Crimea,

    I'm the one who said they can take back all of the occupied territories long before anyone posted on this thread,long before,

    But the reality is if they don't achieve large Gains in the coming offensive, there won't be an endless supply of vehicles, weapons and artillery from international supporters, Russia is still raking in billons while ukraine has lost some of it's most valuable commodities,

    This a fact,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,014 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Wagner fighting in Sudan.

    Time to take the head off that particular snake, seize all its assets, stop any money flowing and take over control of its information technology. Wagner must cease to exist.



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