Russia - threadbanned users in OP

In the early days of this war there were efforts by certain groups like anonymous etc to contact ordinary people in Russia through random telephone numbers and convince them that the whole invasion business is a bad idea and maybe they should stop it.

Now a year later I am finding I am trying to convince some of my friends here in Ireland of the very same thing. It’s becoming a lot more regular , in day to day interactions, that I am hearing lads spouting about NATO aggression and how Russia is being portrayed unfairly by the western media. it’s always the same type of guys , the confident d1ckhead type who were anti vax etc during covid. it’s like they all collectively visit the same rabbit holes of the internet. Although I was shocked when my vet had the same views too. Whatever Russia are doing on the propaganda front it is successful and has changed the landscape since Feb 22. To be having such conversations in your own back yard with ordinary people is very disconcerting. And I don’t even bring it up. They are so primed by the propaganda they are spouting it voluntarily.

but I keep coming back to the same retort with them. NATO did not aggressively expand and all those former soviet bloc countries APPLIED to join NATO. They know what Russia is like we know sweet F all about it. They have no answer and there is no answer to that. Those countries suffered by their proximity to Russia there is no two ways about it. We know nothing of what they went through here in Ireland. I challenge any apologist or tankie reading this to address that issue. I’d say I’ll be waiting. Why did all those countries rush to join NATO as soon as they could???

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@macraignil For example where did you get the figure that Ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells? This type of information I would have thought would be highly classified ..

Again not what I said , I never said ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells , no where did I say that

" For example where did you get the figure that Ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells? This type of information I would have thought would be highly classified "

Why would it be highly classified and by who

So where in that does it say I said "ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells "

So you said I said ,and your still going

You didn't read a post properly and tried to put words into my mouth

More on the Russian missle which was recently discovered in Poland,fired 5 months ago,

This could have major implications for Nato ,the missle which was apparently found in a Polish Forrest was a cruise missile carrying a dummy warhead to distract Ukrainian air defense,but this cruise missile is a Ch-55/Ch-555 whos primary role is to carry a nuclear warhead,

But yet went unnoticed by the poles and NATO, a potential nuclear weapon landed in a Nato country despite NATO ISR aircraft flying over ukraine since day one ,

This just proves my very point Chinese whosperers is trying to argue with me about.

I gave you the complete quotation of what you said and asked you a simple question. How do you get this 40,000 figure? Apologies if I did not get your exact statement completely correct in the first attempt but it was the number that I was finding to be the interesting part of what you were saying or to be more correct how you were so sure of this number as it was used in your post exactly as I quoted since then. No intention by me of putting words in your mouth. Your words were:

"Not if they don't receive the 1 million shells that they were promised don't materialise ,were half way through the year and they received 40,000 ,"

I also asked you if you could see the difference between what you said about the evacuation of Kherson and what is said in the article you linked to from sky news? I am still waiting for you to explain the difference between what you claim is to happen and the story in the article which is substantially different. So as to avoid confusion I am most interested in knowing how you decided:

"Looks like Kherson is to be evacuated due to Russian artillery strikes , hopefully the Ukrainians can remove the majority of people,and anyone who wants to stay dragged kicking and screaming away ,"

@macraignil I am still waiting for you to explain the difference between what you claim is to happen and the story in the article which is substantially different

Substantial difference between them planning to evacuate Kherson and planning to evacuate Kherson due to Russian artillery,

Are saying they are not planning to evacuate Kherson due to Russian artillery at all ,

I don't think you have any real point here

The article says they had made an order for plans for an evacuation to be made and you said it was to happen. This is substantially diffferent. It is possible to make a plan and not actually carry it out. I don't know how to make this point any clearer to you.

The Ukrainian armed forces are making efforts to destroy moskovyte artillery every day so I'm hoping large scale evacuation plans for civilians they might make never become necessary and it is the moskovytes who are the ones who see the need to evacuate from Ukraine.

And the 40,000 artillery shell figure?

I said it 12months ago and I'm saying it again now. That prick of a lying Russian ambassador and his henchmen need to be thrown out of the country straight away!

The kirch Bridge is busy tonight....

But I'm sure it could be claimed it's really busy, it's just slow traffic and Bank holiday traffic.......

But .

Watch give it a month and it will be announced that they are expanding the number of diplomat's being stationed in the Russian embassy here

Should be a few more sent packing until only only he is left on his own!

Looks like Russia is using missles recently produced in Ukraine despite various claims they either cant or are too corrupt to do it ,

Either Russia Still has the production ability or they have found a way to source weapons from other sources.

Well given that the powerful Silovicki and less powerful Oligarchs' reside in either Moscow or St. Petersburg, you are probably right, especially when the body bags start to mount up, but even more important for these people ( because they will avoid being drafted, because Putin needs their support) is the sight of their fortunes dwindling.