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General CA trolls - it's embarrassing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The OP paints a picture of a forum that is overrun with bigoted posting of all shades, where anyone who might be classified as marginalised is a target of endless vitriol of an enormous group of hate filled cretins.

    Oddly the longest running and most popular threads on the forum are massively left leaning in terms of the posters who regularly contribute to them. The Twitter thread is essentially a "we hate Elon Musk" thread at this point, there's no dissenting view points there, ditto the Trump thread.

    Generally speaking hate speech isn't tolerated and is sanctioned /removed.

    I've had my share of frank exchanges of opinions with Beasty over the years but the notion that he and the rest of mods/admins are allowing CA to become a sounding board for hate speech is frankly bizarre.

    Some people want anyone they disagree with to be silenced. The modern "left" have become enamored with the notion of deplatforming as a desirable method of silencing opinions they disagree with, which is essentially what the OP is suggesting.

    The OP wants an echo chamber (I know, it's a cliche) and now they're throwing the toys out of their pram saying they want their account deleted because the site won't indulge their wants exclusively.

    What's the point of a discussion site where differing opinions aren't allowed?

    The picture the OP paints is demonstrably utterly apocryphal. Hate speech isn't tolerated here and never hs been.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It should be relatively simple to demonstrate then...

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭hayrabit




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    How many do you reckon you have reported from CA then?

    Bearing in mind there have been hundreds of thousands of posts in the forum since your start date of July 2021

    You are the one claiming there is a culture here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Explain how all of these racist, sexist, Islamophobic , homophobic, transphobic, asylumphobic , you claim is the majority of the content in a whole forum goes unpunished by the mods despite all of the reported posts you and others claim and yet very few people in tens of thousands of posts haven't been banned or their variophobic posts removed



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for taking the time to respond to my forum post. It means a lot to me that you not only read my message, but also took the effort to share your thoughts and insights on the topic.

    Your response was extremely helpful and provided me with a fresh perspective that I had not considered before. It's always great to hear from other members of the community and to engage in discussions that promote learning and growth.

    Once again, thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I truly appreciate your input and look forward to further discussions with you and other members of this forum.


    Best regards,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭hayrabit


    <snip> - it's in the swear filter for a reason

    minus the hyphens, and use dot symbol (not the word ☺️)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Ahhh those little sneaky nil pointers for wrong thinking.

    Nothing you said was racist or phobic but you get a warning any way. Then all of a sudden you have rapidly reached enough points to a site ban without posting anything racist or phobic.

    Those dozen or so crying the loudest won't keep the hamsters running, when everyone else is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Your line of questioning is absurd, the topic isn’t about whether I have reported enough posts it is about the obvious culture of veiled bigotry in the Current Affairs forum.

    You can blame me for that because I don’t report enough posts(!) all you like but really it’s the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going “laa laa laa I can’t hear you.”

    You’ve kind of embarrassed yourself here tbh.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's funny - you could go through the whole thread and check who liked what and you've a list of folks who post all the hateful stuff on the site.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    You have provided zero evidence to support your claim

    I have an idea of how many reports you have made across the site since you joined. Your posts in this thread paint an incredibly different picture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Have you got any examples of this hate to share here?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭hayrabit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,976 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Once a person steps into the looking-glass world of 'dog whistles' they will see every statement as tinged with hidden hate.

    Its an undisproveable assumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    This thread is about trolls but this matter also relates to those who report people for what they consider trolling or other reasons.

    My assertion is that there are those who take offence rather too easily and who instead of engaging or as well as engaging, choose to use the report facility. I take heart from Big Bag Chips advice that such matters are monitored and those who are too trigger happy are pulled up.

    However it's an imperfect system and as Beasty says, many posts fly under the radar. What brings them to attention is the reporting. But what that implies is that there are many unsanctioned posts, simply because they were not reported. Reporting brings attention to them.

    I admire those who attempt to mod the site, it must be both time consuming and limit their own participation. So my view, is to write and let write. I don't want to be bothering a mod just because poster xyz insulted or offended me. I can either reply to them or simply ignore them. Society is a big place with lots of views and many different ways of living a life. Why not hear them all? If someone is continuously pushing a very divisive agenda, there has to be limits but such a judgement has to surely be made over time. The one type of post that I think should be quickly closed is where there are clear legal consequences for the site. But other than that, let people debate imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    I was joking earlier but because you think I haven’t reported enough posts on this site do you genuinely think that I should go on patrol for posts to report?

    What would be my quota? I’ve already reported a few posts in this thread, how many other posters have reported as much as I have?

    @Boards.ie: Mike @Boards.ie: Odhran perhaps you could clear up this ambiguity, how many posts do posters need to have reported exactly before their observations are considered valid in Feedback threads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Yeah I agree debate is fine, but these things usually cross the bounds of civility.

    I doubt there are people going mad pressing report, if they are, they are trolls themselves, but if people feel something should be reported, then let the mods deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It feels like the thrust if this thread is to only allow opinions the OP agrees with or tantrums will be thrown until that happens.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    To counter that, though not in Current Affairs, the Wokeism of the day thread is by far the most popular thread I've seen sitting at 387 pages full of culture war nonsense. At least twitter thread is informative on some aspect of changes to the twitter platform and the Trump thread does give some news not just opinion.

    Crazy though that the Harry and Meghan thread is 527 pages. I'm not sure how that thread could be categorised as.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet zero evidence has been produced to back up yours and others claims ,

    Why exactly is that,

    Don't like being challenged or don't like being proven wrong???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Culture war nonsense is a constant in CA but the notion that one side outnumbers the other is not based in reality.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Boards.ie isn't CGI_Liva_soprano.ie

    Feck off and create your own forum. Larp somewhere else.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    And for those asking. The office added it to the swear filter some time ago, presumably on the basis that it does not wish to encourage posters to link to a site which blatantly slags off the likes of me and other volunteers



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    There have been hundreds of thousands of posts in the forum. You are the one claiming bigotry is rife. I deal with more reports than pretty much anyone on this site (many many thousands since the change in platform) and my view is very different. And yes you are attempting to make this a black and white issue based on your own very limited experience

    And I don't give a toss about quotas - what I do not appreciate is someone making such claims without backing them up properly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Not to mention veiled death threats/murder fantasies of others.

    Considering how “that site” welcomes, and encourages, bigotry, transphobia, racism and anti-immigration opinions, perhaps banned users from this site could be provided with a link to it in their final warning message? Maybe they’d stop coming back so frequently?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It is anything but a good guide line some behavior and view are totally unacceptable and should not be justified or tolerated under any circumstances.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    To be honest I cant think of a Left wing equivalent of the Wokeism of the day thread and im not really sure what it would be even called. I think the right wingers may be more prolific in posting and in starting threads in current affairs and thanking each others posts but I think their influence may be overstated so why get upset. modern Ireland would be considered fairly left wing compared to America where the wokeisam debate originates from. I dont think current affairs/politics/after hours is full of bigotry/racism/transphobia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    For all the complaints several people make about how much variophobic threads and hate filled comments being made and threats to leave boards

    Why are they still here if it's such a horrible,vile place full of mean and bold people,

    If I don't get what I want I'm closing my account and never coming back ,

    Bye then .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There's one about how all the dangers in the world are coming from the right. Pretty lengthy thread.

    On the whole things are pretty evenly balanced although the site generally tends to be less tolerant of more extreme right wing opinions but extreme left wing opinions are routinely tolerated which makes the entire premise of this thread peculiar.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Tantrums.

    If people want to act like toddlers that's how they should be treated.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody has been proven wrong.

    Beasty himself has said that only posts that are reported are reviewed. Which means there are many, many thousands which are never reviewed because nobody ever reports them. Doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't read every thread or every post made on CA or AH, do you?

    But what I have read is more than enough to inform my opinion. Maybe there is a need to report more, not less.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Leonard Clean Neptune


    Oh really? Fair enough.

    I thought it was because CA was considered a bit more sophisticated and images were viewed as low-brow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Should be a simple task for someone to link to one of these hate filled posts then.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's the negativity that drives me away.

    Every thread on CA is about how everything is always someone else fault, there is always a bogey man, and the poster is always the victim of something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I read several hundred+ posts per day if not more ,and I don't agree i think these claims along with previous claims made are false,we get these threads time and time again and guess what the common denominator is ,

    Over run with far right, variophobic posts and threads,to claims the majority of posts or posters are all of the above but nobody ever produces evidence to back up their claims,

    And my experience in certain threads various claims are made against posters but yet thread bans get issued not for abuses or whatever phobics stance you or other claim ,but for arguments and ignoring a mod instruction ,not for racism, homophobia, Islamophobia ,russophobia,

    But yet time and time again feedback rampant this going on , rampant that going on we demand the admins and board's staff get involved and shut the discussion down,

    What evidence is produced,

    Nothing.

    It's completely dishonest and attempting to silence anyone but a small cohort of posters who claim pro this and pro that,

    I'm going to close my account and .......

    There all still here making the comments over and over boards is full of far right pick your cause posters,

    But yet they stay here complaining about it ,if it's things are that bad why are the all still here ,

    ???



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not too hard to find if you're bothered to open your eyes and look for yourself. But first you have to accept that transphobia and racism is hate.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Leonard Clean Neptune


    I'm a proud 5-Star General of the WOKE Brigade and a borderline actual communist (classless, moneyless, stateless society) and I think Boards is still a decent place for good back and forth.

    The conservative element are absolutely in a minority in modern Ireland and if they think millennials are WOKE, Gen-Z are 1,000 times more WOKE - and they are the future.

    Just look at the last election - Sinn Féin won every age group from 18-64. Were all of those ardent OOH! AHH! UP THE RA! Sinn Féin supporters, of course not, many saw them as the best avenue to a more progressive Ireland. The growth of Sinn Féin goes to show the sheer toxicity people feel towards Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil. Had Labour not been turncoats in 2011, they may very well have the support Sinn Féin enjoys today and Sinn Féin may still be lingering in single figures/low double-digits.

    I do get what you're saying but I think Boards has a good number of progressive, WOKE, posters. Even people that consider themselves to be in the centre argue on our side because the conservative side is so ridiculous.

    Boards is still a big deal in Ireland, people still stumble across it when just asking questions on Google and a lot of people just browse it without even signing up/posting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wonder what the end game is when you disagree with someone? Do you hope they will change their minds? Is the aim to have no views discussed that are misogynistic, racist etc? Those people exist in the world and no amount of calling out will change that. We can of do so and we can attempt to understand but I don't think we can get rid of those belief systems.

    Ireland has changed it's abortion laws for the better as far as I'm concerned. That change doesn't mean people who oppose the provision have changed their minds. Same sex marriage doesn't mean there won't be people who disagree.

    Life is messy. Boards is messy. So what if Current Affairs has a bunch of people saying that X group are such and such and y group doesn't exist. Debate them or ignore them but don't assume troll or that the forum is broken because you don't agree with what you read.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    It's completely dishonest and attempting to silence anyone but a small cohort of posters who claim pro this and pro that,

    I'm going to close my account and .......

    There all still here making the comments over and over boards is full of far right pick your cause posters,

    But yet they stay here complaining about it ,if it's things are that bad why are the all still here ,

    ???

    Accusing someone of posting dishonestly is the kind of cheap shots that get thrown in an attempt to shut down and silence those who disagree with you, and discourage them from posting.

    Ironically, isn't that exactly what you're complaining about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    It is the best forum on the internet.

    I am glad that there is heated debate, biased mods, jarred opinions and of course a contrived lame attempt by certain stooges to spend their entire time casting aspersions on matters they haven't the ability to comprehend.

    I still cannot name anyone on the Irish female soccer team. I find tokenism exhausting.

    I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

    If you think about it, Irish dancing is a patronising embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,785 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    CA used to be a place where the levels of decent discussion made it a decent place to go in spite of the trolling.

    Now the balance has shifted so much it's no longw worth visiting.

    The issue is what it has always been as long as I've been on boards - a baffling and pointless amount of leeway given to posters whose only goal is to be the biggest dick they can for as long as they can.

    As I've said before, for a website whose abiding motto is 'Don't be a dick', Boards tolerates an awful lot of dickishness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,222 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It’s not that long ago that the Boards presidential election vote gave far right candidate Peter Casey double the support that he got in the real election.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Leonard Clean Neptune


    But if you go on Twitter you'd think the National Party were knocking on the door of Leinster House, when they're not even knocking on the door of the remotest village council.

    The (notoriously undemocratic) Seanad is the only place these people have anything resembling a voice.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The funny thing is that only seems to work one way, and this post isn't specifically aimed at you.

    Take the thread on the Ashling Murphy murder, lots of posters were demanding Irish men have mandatory "social education" so they'd all know it was wrong to attack woman (seriously) and they would need a licence to socialise. All that stopped immediately when a non-Irish national was arrested.

    So, why is it ok to demand requirements for one nationality but run away when one realises it's actually another nationality? Heaven forbid those making the demands be accused of xenophobia or racism.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    So your issue here is some posts you can't point to (given Beasty has said reported posts are not remotely at the level claimed, and the mods also presumably read the forum and action posts in so doing) constitute transphobia, which is something you can't define (you seem to think any argument against trans ideology is transphobia, which isn't a reasonable stance)?


    I mean, if that's the case, can we just say "Nonsense" and close the thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    In fairness to the mods they do delete offensive posts eventually so probably hard to provide the evidence. The argument at worst could be that the site allows the same posters to be banned from a whole host of threads for trolling and deletes their comments without banning them from the site. Threads in trans ideology eventually tend to get shut down and they seem to always end with someone saying outright that trans people have a mental illness. I definitely wouldnt go near CA if i was trans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    I agree with the OP and CGI.

    The amount of general hate and personal attacks that goes unchecked these days is unprecedented. Reports are ignored for the most part, and randomly reasonable people are banned for bizarrely trivial reasons. The assumption has to be that it all had the tacit approval of boards. Some of the worst offenders post for a very long time before eventually being banned.

    Too many complaining about the same thing for it not to be widespread experience.

    There's no point posting in many forums because there's the same handful of posters shutting down any counter discussion.

    The lines between CA and After Hours are very blurred these days. CA is much closer to AH than it's ever been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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