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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Dated the 29/4/23

    Then again we've had videos from 3 + years on here before claimed as recent,

    The account was previously a Zelensky spokesperson,



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Poor fella being interviewed must be pissed being stuck in that traffic jam for over 6 months. There he is back in October in the queue. Or as you say, the footage is 6 months old.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    The question is not whether they have the production capacity, they certainly still have the factories and know-how to produce these weapons. The big question is whether they can produce these missiles in large numbers, given the sanctions and the shortage off key components. If the factory can only deliver one missile per week per type, then it'll still take a while for Russia to save up enough of these things for a decent-sized attack.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Totally agree with you,

    We know Russia are down and possibly on the ropes , but the question of wether they are down and out is another question,

    I know it's been previously mentioned they are using new stocks of weapons because they blew threw their historic stock of ammunition hence why they are launching new missles produced in the last 12-18 months ,

    It's entirely possible they can't backfill stockpiles which leaves them with little option to launch missles before the paint has dried



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,136 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Chinese whospers threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Makes you wonder what the end game here is with Russia, from Ukraine,the black sea and Syria they are trying their best to drag the US into the conflict, even to the point of almost shooting down a British Rivet Joint aircraft over the blacksea,

    Are they hoping if they bring nato or the US into direct action then China will fight for Russia????





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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Escalation, reinforces the Kremlin narrative of a war between the West and Russia.


    It will take more than a plane down etc to bring America in fully. A limited strike back is what they would love.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Until after the fact, I’m thinking all 4 options on that list are possible. Could be that:

    • Prigozhin is not a total dimwit and is trying to lure the AFU into attacking a better armed than expected foe….
    • Prigozhin knows the game is up and wants to clear his lads of any blame for what happens next.
    • Or.. Prigozhin actually is a dimwit and is publicly sharing how fragile Wagner are to a counteroffensive.

    Again, I hope the AFU have decent intelligence on what Wagner / Russian army actually have and are keeping those cards to their chest until after a (hopefully) successful counterattack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If the BBC has verified over 21k Russian deaths you can be guaranteed there is at least multiple times that. The Ukrainian figure doesn't look so far fetched especially when that includes LPR, DPR and Wagner convicts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭jmreire


    it certainly does not help when the general in charge of tank production is stealing the engines......And its a fair assumption that he is not the only one, and that this activity applies to all production of everything in Russia...after all hasn't the top man, Putin being doing it since he came to power?

    A Russian army commander has been accused of stealing engines from Putin's prized T-90 tanks, report says (businessinsider.nl)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭zv2


    At the beginning of the war a Russian commander committed suicide when he found his tank engines were missing.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭zv2


    History lesson (Russia is not a real country)


    Post edited by zv2 on

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Brief results of the second military April: 1) Bakhmut was not "domesticated" for a month, the enemy continues to defend on the western outskirts, deciding the task to reach a counteroffensive on one of the other (I assume) fronts. "Wagner" is bloodless, its strike force (even with constant feeding by volunteer units and "mobikes" from the Defense Ministry) was not enough to complete the operation in April. The "Bakhmut meat grinder" continues for both sides, but the enemy has solved its problems, while our side has not. 2) At Avdeevka our troops failed and now - due to heavy losses - are forced to pull back again, leaving some of the positions previously occupied. In Marinka - generally unchanged - bloody street "pull-push" continued throughout April with varying success. On the other fronts, there were local battles and exchanges of artillery and air strikes. The overall conclusion was that the enemy had again succeeded in the April battles as a whole (in buying time in the strategic defenses). In May the summer campaign and the "move for the Ukrainians" will begin, as our generals over the winter and spring were able to do almost nothing except dispose of the strike corps in the Donbass.




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,667 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    According to several news outlets today a Ukraine counter could start any moment but all also point out that allies are growing more and more alarmed that Ukraine just does not have the capacity for it to be successful no matter how well planned and intentioned. They may be privately pushing them not to do it given how grim the consequences of failure could be - the loss of manpower, equipment, major weakening of current Ukrainian lines...

    By far the biggest decision of the war seems to be imminent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You keep repeating the same talking points and then hopping away when challenged.

    Surely you could provide your sources just once!



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Elements of the counter offensive started a couple of weeks ago.

    Ukraine worked miracles last year with far lees than what it now has, the Orcs, on the other hand, did atrociously last year with far more than what they now have.

    You have an amazing ability to add 2 + 2 and get -7.

    The biggest decision that would make a difference to the outcome of this conflict would be the provision of 4th gen western fighter aircraft that could take on SU-35s and the like - but I somehow doubt that is the decision you were alluding to, if you were referring to a decision, rather than an event.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,356 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,667 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is nothing to challenge. The reality on the ground is as it is. The mismatch between Russian and Ukranian forces is vast. The Ukranian are facing a force that now numbers almost 400,000 in the occupied territories.

    It's delusional to think the Russians are going to be somehow expelled from what they have captured.

    To begin a concerted counter offensive is an enormous risk.

    This war will end in a negotiated settlement one way or the other as of now.

    I think Ukraine should go for peace now with a proposed counter offensive as a piece of leverage rather than roll the dice and try frantically to sue for peace with Russian forces on their way to Kiev.

    The concern about Ukraine's situation regarding a counter offensive found it's way in to the public domain through leaks which were stark in terms of warning how an offensive is likely to go

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/30/ukraine-primed-for-crucial-offensive

    That's not to say miracles can't happen but given the fortification Russia has put in place (more reminiscent of WW1) there is not going to be some lightning gain of territory by Ukraine like last time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If they were going to be given Western Jets, they would have done it already.


    They certainly would be significant and may well be decisive. That's why they won't get them. The next 6 months will probably be more important in the war than the fighting in 2024 or 2025.


    Just enough is the mantra. The Ukrainians know that, they are grateful for what they have but they can see the obvious as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The mismatch is vast

    I am not sure how you can come to such a conclusion.

    In the last six months that frontlines have barely moved and a lot of the Russian combat potential has been destroyed attacking prepared Ukrainian defences. At the rate the Russians are going, it'll take about 6 months before they can even begin to threaten Sloviansk/Kramatorsk, and if Bakhmut was anything to go by, perhaps another six months to take it. I think another attempt to take Kyiv is literally the last thing on the list of Russian priorities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The 2nd of 4 promised German Iris -Ts anti aircraft systems have arrived in Ukraine,




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭storker


    I hope it wasn't for the Chesney Hawkes reference - that was brilliant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The biggest issue is people are unwilling to see what difficulties can arise over the next few weeks, there's going to be a hell of a lot of pressure put on the Ukrainans from at home and from external supporters especially if they get bogged down anywhere or they don't make massive gains off the bat , intentional backers might get nervous,at the end of the day Europe is feeling the pinch when it comes to their own individual economies , yeah everyone has pledged support but unfortunately there is no infinite supply of weapons vehicles and cash sitting in Europe, while we can all sit here and support ukraine there's people behind the scenes who make Decisions people on here are unwilling to see ,while the Ukrainans can fight to the very last man that's gets difficult when external support slows to dries up altogether,

    While people can choose to wear blinkers or turn off the lights but the next few months is hugely critical for ukraine and the international backers,

    I want to see them in Crimea come the end of the year,but if they don't make significant breakthroughs and progress that may not happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    You have a point but it is worth noting as well that the Russian forces are badly equipped, poorly led and ill resourced. Never mind motivation.


    The next 12 months will be much more brutal for Ukraine's forces than the last 12. That's just the reality of war and going from defense to offensive operations in urban areas against a large dug in force.


    My take is fu78 peace talks, Western Europe should be accelerating arms production and supply but the leadership of most of Europe have very different ideas on that, especially the countries where most weaponry manufacturing is.


    Like the shortfall in shells for Ukraine. Smart ammunition is great but they will also need to pound entire towns in to rubble to take them back as well. Firing, 30, 40, 50 thousand shells a day.


    Peace talks will only reward the Reds.


    Europe must also plan for further conflicts.



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