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I'm driving on sunshine (whooah)!

  • 29-04-2023 8:32pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭


    And don't it feel good 😁

    For those of us with solar panels and EVs or PHEVs, I thought it would be interesting to try and track some data on how much free energy we're able to use in our cars


    Might help others weigh of some of the merits of how solar and EVs complement each other, and there's always something we can learn from each other


    I figure we should track things like kWhs from solar and from the grid, distance driven, how many "free" kilometres you got and how much money you saved

    So to start things off, for the month of April I charged 118kWh from solar PV and 17kWh from the grid.

    Didn't track mileage but I've been running around 19kWh/100km and that results in around 620km on solar


    Money saved was €16.26 at €0.1378/kWh

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I cannot give you any figures, don't have them. Plugged one of our two EVs in many days last summer, but only got system in end of June. Finished car solar charging about end Sept or early October. Most was about 70kms, often 50kms or less.

    Our system is modest, 4.1kWp with an Eddi and a 4kWh battery. But amount of grid electricity usage by day has been low since we got system, even during the winter. Even with 2 cars each doing about 18K/year we are still in credit of about €90 as of the last bill at start of April. Granted, like everyone we got the €600 Government giveaway. Almost all our car charging has been at home on a great night rate, rarely needing to fast charge except on odd England and Belfast trips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,708 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Well thank you for sticking that tune in me head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's literally been in my head all afternoon 😂

    If I must suffer, then other must share my suffering 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    Past month of charging at home has been 32% from Solar. That works out at about 64kWh. My cars usable battery is about 57kWh so it's a bit more than a "full tank". Not bad going. Based on my night EV rate it's just over 8 euro saved.



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    How are you tracking solar charging, Vs night rate charging? We've a 3.8kWp system, though split between East and South so peaks aren't massive for charging the car. Couple that with a 5kWh battery needing charging before the car gets anything, and what seems like an endless supply of washing, it can be hard to get more than a few kWh into the car on good days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If you go into charge log on the Zappi you can see the amount of kWh from the grid and from solar.

    You might need a Harvi on the output of the inverter so it can see the solar generation output

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah you need to check it on the Zappi, unfortunately the app doesn't have that information

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    App seems to do that a lot. I'll take a look later



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭NTC


    I have 151kWh loaded into the cars this month (1 ev and 1 Phev).

    No charge from the grid this month. Happy Days.

    I am based in Galway. I wonder will location impact kWh's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Location I would think makes a huge difference. I live about 20kms from the coast as the crow flies in the South East. While we have better weather than a lot of the country, down at the coast you often have wall to wall sunshine all day when we don't. The fair weather cumulus clouds and unsettled cumulo nimbus clouds usually build up over land by day, so on the southern coast the sun being on the south of land is not obstructed by clouds.

    I would guess if living on southern or South eastern coasts I could add a fair chunk to my production..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭NTC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'd say location has an impact to total generation, but for EV charging I would imagine daily habits have the biggest impact

    For example if there's no car at home most days to plug in then it doesn't matter how much excess solar you get, there's nowhere to send it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    This year, only 8% of my charging has been from solar. Today could have been a good charging day, but we used almost 8kWh on laundry alone. Guaranteed tomorrow will be cloudy when we're home, and beaming sun if we go somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,810 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think overall the south of the country would have about 10% more irradiation than the north, but I understand local variations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    In my case I'm tracking it through the Tesla app. I've got a tariff setup with the EV night rate, regular night rate, but day rate is set as 0 (well 0.01). I'm just looking at the percentage of charging using the day rate which is solar as I wouldn't charge from the grid at 50c+. 😂

    I could prob do some sort of calculation in homeassistant but not sure the point.

    Mine is a 4.5kWp~ system with 5kWh battery, Eddi, and Zappi. I have a switch setup in homeassistant to flip the Solis inverter to grid feed-in priority which stops it charging the battery so it exports - which Eddi or Zappi can capture. It saves waiting til the battery gets to 100% before water is heated or car charged. I'd bring the battery to 70-80% and then set to export. Once the power drops back down later (below car charging) I can push back to charge the battery. It's manual for now but I could automate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭eagerv




  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Oooo, this sounds like something I want. I find it quite annoying having to wait for the battery to reach 100%, as it only charges at 1.1kW from 90%, and 500w from 99% which means plenty goes back to the grid while that's waiting to fill up fully.

    Pretty sure I need a different wireless module though, right? From what I've seen the wireless module I have cannot be reached locally, and this solarman can't talk to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    It's the DLS-W stick that I have. I had the newer S3 one but you can't do this. Have a look over at the automation thread on renewable energies.

    The beauty in grid feedin priority is that the battery will still discharge, so if the solar drops down or you need some additional power it will work as normal.



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Thanks! I'll have to see can I find one of those. Seems they're tough enough to come by. Can't see any for purchase to Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    It's an old model. Put a post up on the buy & sell thread over there or have a look for a used one.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah I was able to swap my gen 3 with someone who had a gen 2, (the gen 3 has solis app control)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    For me I am rarely home during the day so most of my charging has been on night rate in April.

    I should be able to get a little extra in the evenings soon with the longer daylight hours.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭crisco10



    A bit of OT, but what are the operating principles of grid feed in priority? I have same setup (minus Eddi), and also haven't gotten around to integrating Solis (control) into HA, but keen to understand what the inverters decision tree is in Grid Feed...

    TIA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    It's in the manual on page 38-39. See here - https://www.ginlong.com/uploads/file/Solis_Manual_RHI(3-6)K_5G_ENX_V1,5.pdf

    Load - Grid - Battery

    vs Self-Use which is

    Load - Battery - Grid



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Just punched in some numbers, taking 8% losses car AC side of things, I've got 2,576kms to end of April from PV, aiming for 12,000kms for the year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    That's amazing, you've two EVs right? Are you powering both from solar?

    It's a bit of a struggle for me to charge the Leaf off solar since it uses the dumb charger and is a bit more manual.

    Still, managed to get 6kWh into it a few days ago by just starting the charge when the solar was over 3kW and the house battery picked up any momentary dips in sunlight

    I ended up draining about 2kWh out of the house battery, but made it up quickly enough

    I'm keeping ahead of my driving for now, but we'll see what the rest of the month brings

    One interesting thing I've noticed is that charging from solar will affect my usage of the car. For example if I'm heading out for a coffee and the car is charging I'll just let it charge and walk down instead. Bit of an odd side benefit

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Car was charging from solar yesterday and I needed to nip to the shops quick over lunch. Hopped on the electric scooter instead. Barely use the car now sure.

    Brutal day today though. Couldn't even keep the house going on today's solar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Likewise, luckily battery was still at 60% in the morning so it was able to keep pace with usage

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    What!? How much battery storage do you have? We've 5kWh, but after a good day I'll wake up with ~30-40% battery at best. Our battery emptied (20%) at 4am last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭axe2grind


    Good thread. First time I have looked at solar contribution to car. Unfortunately with the DC battery, I don't think I can figure out exact figures, as the Zappi thinks that the battery contribution is from the grid.

    April Zappi figures

    293kWh from solar,

    131 from grid (59 in one day)

    I suspect that nearly half the grid figure is originally solar but via the system battery.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Two EVs but I’ve hybrid working so WFH two days, I only put 67kWh from the grid into my car last month. Been lucky with the days that I’ve been home have been the better ones. I’ve Zappi which makes it easier and large arrays to feed the house/water/battery/cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    We've got 10kWh, it does seem to do a good job of lasting through a cloudy day but it's down to 30% this morning

    I expect when the heat pump is being used in winter it'll barely last the day

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Sounds like there might be an issue with the CT config on your Zappi. Have you got a CT clamp on the output of your inverter?

    I had mine set to Gen+Battery but that had some weird effects, it flipped the current reading and I started seeing grid import as export

    Apparently Gen+Battery doesn't work properly 😕

    I've got it set to generation only now and it works fine. I also set an export margin of 150W to stop the Zappi draining the house battery

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Just had a look at the stats on my HA for last 30 days:

    89kWh of Solar

    115kWh of Night Rate (€0.095) into the car

    Less than 50%, but my wife's wfh days and sunshine did not coincide well. Also, reckon I'll significantly up that number with the tip garnered on this thread about changing to Grid Feed in mode in the middle part of the day.

    So overall consumption of 204kWh, for about 1200km distance covered. Total marginal cost 115kWh x €0.095 = €11. That's just about 1c a km. Hope to bring that down further though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭axe2grind


    I didn't think this through enough. I have a Harvi which monitors import/export so the Zappi will know what comes in from grid. Everything else has to be from solar, whether via house battery or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Am at home alone today, off to work shortly. Stupidly charged my car to 100% last night and the sun is continuous here this afternoon. Have dishwasher and washing machine on, had a very long shower to empty tank an hour ago and looks like will be exporting soon again.

    Any other suggestions? I think turning on a 3kW heater would not be appropriate..😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Roast dinner should eat up a few kilowatts 😋

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Unfortunately not, on gas.

    It's nice to give a bit back occasionally, doing my bit of green washing...☺️



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Heater no, air conditioner yes. Just bought one for the inevitable heatwaves we get. A luxury, but it'll run for free basically



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    Had a quick look to figure out what my sunshine driving is in terms of driving kilometers. Based on a rough guess of 15% losses and overall consumption since new, roughly 650km of my driving since I got my Model 3 in mid-March has been from solar PV.



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    Snap. I just calculated mine and came to 625 km since the 17th March. I have 3.2kwp SE .8 NW and .8 W. It works out as about 25% of my home charging is from PV and that has risen to 30% in the last 3 weeks or so. Probably makes more sense to charge at the cheap night rate and let the excess go to the grid but I like driving on sunshine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If you're on an smart meter and the export rate is higher than night rate then maybe it makes sense to send it to the grid.

    Otherwise if you're on deemed export then it absolutely makes sense to divert to the car

    I think I'd also prefer to divert to the car even if on a smart meter, as you say there's something cool about making free fuel from sunlight 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    Agreed, we do have a smart meter but I'd still rather use what we produce. We're going for a spin now from East Cork to Ring in Waterford and some of the journey will be powered from yesterdays sunlight, so cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    Same, financially speaking probably better to export; however, I'd prefer to use here as much as possible. My goal is limit grid use and keep costs down but it's a balancing act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I was using the granny charger last year. Put about 3kwh from the battery into it in the morning. Car is gone for the day. Solar bttery charges back up during the day. In summer its back in time to get another 3kwh or so in the evening. So nearly all driving in summer was already solar by utilizing the battery and the granny charger.

    Now we have a zappi. Can use the battery in the mornings for that too and then in the evenings even more juice goes through the zappy from the sun.

    The biggest problem is that the car is away in the daytime. The battery partially solves that problem for about 6 to 8 months of the year. In winter car charges on EV rate only as not enough sun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,698 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    My streak for the month has already been broken 😫

    I've had to head into Dublin every day this week so nothing to divert solar. I finally gave in and set the car to charge overnight

    I've managed to lose 26kWh to the grid already 😬

    Just goes to show what a difference not being at home in the middle of the days makes, I'm generally home before 5pm but there's not nearly enough sun to make up for my usage

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Revisiting this (Still can't get my hands on the right wireless module for the inverter though). In "feed-in priority" mode, doesn't that stop the battery from being used at all? So if you're plugged in and charging, and a big cloud comes by and you drop below 1.4kW generation, you'll either pull from the grid to make up the surplus, or stop charging. Or is your home assistant constantly juggling between Self use, and feed-in priority. ie. If surplus gen<1.5kW - switch to self use, else if surplus gen >1.5kW && battery 80% - switch to feed-in-priority, else switch to self-use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭silver_sky



    The order in feed-in priority is load, grid, battery vs. self-use mode which is load, battery, grid.

    The battery will still discharge if there's a load and low generation e.g. turn on the kettle and only have 1000W generation.

    If you've the car plugged in and running on ECO+ mode, it would stop if the export wasn't sufficient and yes the inverter would still dump that <1400W out the door. I've not setup the automation part of this yet so just "manually" changing it with a switch in HA that sends the request to the inverter to change the mode, and then back again when I switch it off.

    I've an eddi and zappi so have a bit of logic to figure out for an automation on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Lads how many panels required to see a decent return?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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